Call me retarded, but I vooted for the doomed PPC. Throw those poor dogs a bone.
As a 3rd generation BC native, the minute a western separatist movement gets going, I'm on it. I'm sick of this thing we call Canada. Perhaps we're too far gone into the collapse to build anything beautiful out of separation, but trying to maintain the illusion seems even worse.
Lacey, I’m a third generation, Ontario lad, and I echo your sentiment exactly. I put my energy into hoping for Quebec to separate, that would facilitate the complete collapse of Canada.
I landed as a legal immigrant in Canada on August 20th 1980. I did not speak English, but I was fluent in French.
My first job was in a fancy Italian restaurant. I was one of the three evening shift cooks.
I loved the job, I loved the team but I did not want to spend a day more than necessary in Quebec. I detested the culture and the attitude so perfectly encapsulated in the slogan on their license plates: “Je me souviens” “I remember” What they remember is that the French sold them and the English bought them. Quebec is an insular culture that revels in its bitterness. I lasted only four months. When I made the decision to move to Toronto, I gave notice to my boss who asked me not to tell anybody ‘till he finds a replacement. The cooks were all Italian, the waiters all French Canadian. I got along with everybody, but the day when my replacement showed up, one of the French waiters confronted me in the change room shouting: Mais tu es un traitre, tu t’est vendue aux Anglais!!! You are a traitor, you sold out to the English!!!
In a twisted way, it was touching because it meant that they liked me.
Me, the Hungarian, who just did not want to acclimatize into their miserable cultural bitterness.
I wish for a Canada without Quebec. I think it would do them good learning that socialism is not easy without a sugar daddy financing it.
I would love for Quebec to separate as well... but I'm not holding my breath as that ends the gravy train.
Quebec is proof positive that multicultural societies do NOT work.
They are majority white, they used to be nominally Christian and even they cannot get along with the ROC. They whine and moan to get a bunch of gimmes. Sound like anyone else you know?
The PPC is the only option. I won't vote for Pierre "My face smells like an Indian's ass" Pooplievre. Sorry to be crude, but his pandering was absolutely disgusting and turned me immediately off. His party basically had no platform that I could discern beyond race pandering. I'm surprised Pierre didn't queer up one of his kids to compete with Android Carney . This article nails my feeling on the matter.
Be crude, be crude-it’s the only mode of expression when describing the street-shitter invasion. Those immigration numbers are mind-blowing, even for an American.
For most of human history, plunder has been the route to wealth, the norm. Look at the remains of any ancient city in the near-east or Asia and you can still see the ruins of the walls, fortifications and battlements that they built to protect themselves from would-be plunderers.
So many people on our side of the fence blame socialism or Marxism for this state of affairs but the joy of plunder long predates Karl Marx and modern democracies are really nothing more than a systematised, prolonged and managerial process of internal plunder, as we can see in this description of Canada as well as Britain (where they are actually running out of things to plunder).
Liberal democracy cannot last. I think we may be heading for a slo-mo repeat of the Bronze Age collapse.
It's not even slo-mo. We're speedrunning it. It's just that time is compressed in history books. 30 year spans where something interesting happened are reduced to paragraphs, while centuries where nothing happened barely get full sentences.
The triumph of neoliberalism in the 90s, despite signs of decay even then, has given way in only a quarter century to impending and unavoidable catastrophe. If it's over by the end of the century that will still have been the fastest and steepest rise and fall of an empire and global political paradigm in human history.
I'd like it to go even faster. I'd like to live to see what comes next. I'd be old and have no influence on what that was, which is as it should be, but I could die happy knowing my grandchildren or great grandchildren had things in hand.
That would be an attractive prospect, depending on what the revival becomes. But I fear we (in the US) were this -><- close to a total takeover by the neo-marxists and a fall into a western Soviet era. Europe is still headed that way. I'm not sure Trump can prevent it. He's not nearly ruthless enough.
Maybe it’s good that Trump isn’t that ruthless. he is a 78 year-old man how long will he last? it will take 20 years to undo this Marxist nonsense. If he goes to to fast, it could flame out.
Flame out is a significant risk. He's dismantling a dysfunctional international system, and in the chaotic transition between that and whatever comes next it's very possible that things fall apart completely.
Trump only has one term, but if his actions convince the voters that he is on the right path he sets up JD Vance to succeed him and carry on with the agenda. That gives 4-8 additional years.
The difference is that you can’t actually milk a cow thru the fence — that’s what the fence is for. Liberal democracy is the form of government that tells you you’re not allowed to build a fence and, moreover, wanting to makes you a bad person.
Interesting point. I definitely dislike the modern version of plunder, but to what extent would /ourguys/ engage in the plunder of our enemies? Maybe a revival of colonialism to provide a constructive outlet for this plunder impulse?
If your internal enemies have plundered the majority of a rich nation’s wealth, and made peaceful reform impossible… then by definition, they’re sitting on a treasure trove.
Simply removing the shackles which protect them in taking their ill-gotten gains would be excellent. Compelling the apparatus to serve the nation, or be destroyed, would do it.
I agree that we're heading for a collapse similar to that of the Bronze Age. In fact, the Indo-European Conquests, the Bronze Age Collapse, the Barbarian Invasions, and today's immigration crisis do not merely resemble each other; they are also spaced roughly 1600 years apart. I'm currently working on a few articles that examine the similarities between these crises. Stop by if you're interested.
I would say its more like the Gutenberg-to-30yrs-war transition, which was followed by a major global (European) settlement onto the Westphalian model.
The modern equivalent driven by the internet, but also by easy international transport - particularly of people moving en masse to the West. Maybe it is also the end of nationalism and a return to class/orders based social structure.
Lots of commentary here down below but I was waiting for an actual Canadian. If I get this right, Canadians were so afraid of Trump they voted for a central banker, in two countries yet. The ultimate Davos man. Trump is said to dislike PP for reasons unknown to me. Perhaps the plan is to let Canada implode with socialist government and then have Alberta secede, with US backing. None the less, letting a foreign politician dominate the election seems to be really embarrassing. In Mexico, you have to go back to Porfirio Diaz (Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States). Since then Mexico has had more dignity. The problem is that Canada doesn't have a national identity other than Not the US.
My sincerest sympathy to decent Canadians. You are screwed.
Our national Identity would be very close to Russian, but that's a conversation people aren't ready for...
Very similar climate and geography, Christian, white nation with a mix of other people that until recently was very reasonable and worked well. Winter sports, same big animals, Arctic access, dabbled in socialism... hard drinkers...hot women... tough resource and construction core of men. Diverse science/tech/manufacturing, high tech economy. Canada should be culturally a lot like Russia, and we were actually very close during the Cold War. Few people know that the ideological core of Russian leadership decided to end the USSR during a trip to Canada when they saw how well our country functioned. Alexander Yakovlev:
Have thought so myself. The Arctic and sub-Arctic nations should be converging or at least co-operating vigorously.
As an Australian, I am appalled that we are not engaging post-Soviet Russia. There are so many areas that we could learn from them or benefit from co-operation. Mining, energy, infrastructure, shipbuilding, logistics. And STEM education too. And they are way easier to work with than South Asians.
Hey John, I just woke up and had the following thought:
They say we have free speech, but... you have to pay for it to be heard anywhere. On the radio. You gotta pay to debate on college. Ads in a paper cost money. If you try to give a speech at the mall, or a hockey game, you'll be shown out by security...
We exactly DONT have free speech. Its profoundly true.
You're going to get shut down on most social media if you speak too freely, though... I'm thinking free speech like, Ancient Greece where the public participated in forums where anyone could speak. (And sometimes got killed).
Although thoroughly disgusted by the never-ending, churlish stupidity of the Canadian public east of the prairies, I can't say I'm overly disappointed. I have never thought for one second that a party of pandering wimps (the Conservatives) and their pussy leader could for one second have the ability to deal with what is coming down the pipe. So from that perspective, I am quite happy to have the assholes responsible for the death spiral Canada is in (with the perfect stooge, asshole, and charlatan as its leader), to be in power for the country's demise.
I give this country 5 years at most, until its dissolution. Few have any idea of the shit storm coming our way.
Agreed. I'm hoping for simultaneous separatist flare ups from Quebec and the West. If Canada's economy goes too far into debt, they might try and stick Canada with the bill and eff off. That would be hilarious.
RT Rider I thought the exact same thing: these bastard liberals should be in power when the country collapses. That way they’ll be no doubt who was responsible.
Can't say I'm saddened by the demise of Poilievre and several of the others. But I'm just thinking that this might not be such a bad outcome. When Western Canada gets so fed up with the parasites in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver, the independence movement in the west grows to irresistible proportions. Or am I dreaming?
Robert A , you’re saying that the dissolution of Canada is a good thing. You’re a terrible terrible treasonous man. But then again, so am I, i’m sick of Canada. We gotta go.
The 26 Quebec election will see the Party Québécois take power and they promise a referendum. By then, Alberta should be pulsing with hatred for Ottawa. Quebec referendum plus Alberta independence movement could generate momentum and surely orange man bad will be sniping from the south. I think this is likely to happen. I’m not sure what the outcome will be, but I think we are headed to this destination.
The timeline will be accelerated if the economic and financial failures are of the magnitude which I believe is likely, happens. If so, there will be little incentive for provinces like Alberta, Saskatchewan and BC to remain, once they realize that the federal government will have few tools to resolve the crisis. When the credit markets have failed, and you're a bankrupt entity, money printing is the only resort, since nobody is going to lend you a looney, let alone billions. Currency collapse will result.
Other ploys like bail-ins, bail-outs, and plunder-sized taxation will only make the social unrest, worse.
And once the gravy train from Ottawa to Quebec is cut off, they'll be gone in a heartbeat. They've only been hanging on to the-pretend-we're-Canadian shtick because of the multi-billions in payoff they receive annually.
Over my lifetime of 70 years, I have witnessed the ongoing strip mining of wealth form the productive class to the middle men (the ruling class, paid political stooges, and cronies) and then whatever crumbs are left over are swept from the table, to the lumpenproles groveling at their feet. In addition, the country has been culturally deracinated, socially destabilized, and invaded by hoards of unassimilable and unwanted immigrants. All of which makes for a very leaky vessel to fill with hope for the future, especially for those who still think it's worth saving.
Any commentary on your Boomer-Canadian contemporaries, RT?
After seeing that photo of the Boomer with the middle fingers, I have the desire to cross the 49th parallel with an armed insurgency to redistribute Boomer homes to Millennials and Zoomers at gunpoint.
Yeah. Too much drugs and booze for courage when protesting Nam and da Man, fried their brains (and I wasn't pro Vietnam). I was a jock and didn't get along too well with the hippie crowd, although good times were had kicking hippie ass. Posterity has certainly proved them hypocrites, though.
Canada is already well advanced in the process of dissolution. The issue now is not should it survive, but how long it can.
Canada's old suzerain is a failed state. Ottawa's closest ally, the EU, has started a blood feud with Russia and its aggressive, ambitious, neighbour is at risk from its willful failure to interdict narcotics and its willingness to sell itself to the CCP.
Canadians are lucky that the US still has significant reserves of sane white people left. The Albertans, Manitobans etc either become US protectorates or get colonized by India and the ummah. My guess is that the Albertans etc prefer good choices to bad ones.
[BTW just posted longer contribution to this thread a moment ago. Would be interested on your thoughts]
lol, I presume you are referring to RT Riders diatribe, yes?
I’m of the opinion that RT is spot on correct . I’m not sure why economic recession is on the horizon, but should he be right about a deep recession, the Canadian nation is very exposed. Basically I agree with absolutely everything he said, and I think he said it very well, but I don’t have the sense that we’re headed into an economic disaster.
The whole Anglosphere needs a Reform movement to develop asap, if Reform UK does well, CA, AU & NZ should follow to bust open the duopoly and offer a real road out of decline. Canada has an easier to break into electoral system than we do in Australia.
If Canadians had any sense or spirit garbage like Carney or Poilievre would not have viable careers in politics at any level to begin with. As an Australian, it gives me no pleasure to acknowledge the obvious comparison between the two peoples and their respective political classes. I have long thought that my country was better governed by the old Colonial Office than it has been by the successor regime.
IMO there is no use fixing politics. Fixing the people comes first. Once that is done the politics takes care of itself.
The Grim Reaper will purge the voter rolls. The Boomers have an imminent appointment in a much hotter place than Florida. When they go things will change quickly.
Long-term, the prospect of secession is likely to grow. Much will depend on the fate of South Africa and the UK itself. If the Western Cape can free itself of the ANC the demonstration effect on the Anglosphere will be immediate and very powerful. Should the UK sink into civil conflict as per Professor David Betz's thinking, it will become impossible for the Canadian political classes to manage the issue of infinity migration.
Two critical issues: war and finance. Interstate competition creates opportunities for stateless peoples. And white Canadians are effectively stateless. Ottawa belongs to the global oligarchy. Canada itself is now a global commons for oligarchs and the replacements. But global rivalries are heating up fast. It is worth remembering that in the late 1940s the Zionist movement, operating from a position of weakness, successfully leveraged between rival powers (the US and the USSR) to create Israel in the face of opposition from the UK as well as the US foreign policy establishment.
Alberta and co. must do the same, albeit within a different context. They need to identify parties which stand to benefit from Ottawa losing control of the resources of the western provinces. More on this further down. Also need to identify the rivals of those who are OK with the status quo.
The elites of Western Canada need to do the work for an eventual bid for US support. If they don't, they will robbed blind by the replacements and their sponsors in Ottawa and the Global South. Ottawa has nothing to offer but impoverishment and degradation. Do they want the Fraser and Saskatchewan rivers to end up like the Ganges?
Finance is tricky. Who owns Canada's debt? The advantage that a potential seccesionist state has is its ability to prioritise creditors. A Western Canadian federation can incentivize foreign support by offering to repay its share of Canada's debts in hard currency (backed by resources), with priority to bondholders from nations that recognize its independence. Such bondholders form a key constituency that could be won over to support freedom for the western provinces.
At the moment neither Russia nor China would support secession by the Western Canadians. Washington under MAGA might do so in the foreseeable future. If the EU cannot resolve its blood feud with Russia the Russians might well eventually conclude that the EU needs to be cut off from Ottawa's tributary provinces.
In conclusion, there is no need for Canadians to blackpill. The status quo is unsustainable. Change is inevitable. Work towards the future but don't forget: revel in your time!
From what I could see in a cursory search is that the vast majority of Canada's national debt is not owned by other nations, but by investors: insurance companies, pension funds, financial institutions (answer didn't specify or name names) and such. About 110bn is owned by foreign states.
You mention the EU. It has a free trade - no tariffs kind of deal going on with Canada right now, and both seem set to strengthen and tighten those ties to include Canada as much as possible in the EU free trade zone. I mention it because it might affect your idea. When it comes to Russia and the EU, what Russia wants from the EU is this:
1) No more support to Ukraine; 2) No NATO or EU membership for Ukraine; 3) dropped sanctions and normalisation of trade with EU nations. Currently, points 1 and 2 make 3 a political impossibility, but that could change in weeks - the EU is very good at the "We've always been at war with Oceania"-schtick, given the near-total alliance of state and corporate capitalist broadcasting and news coverage. It is highly unlikely that Russia can do anything at all to the relationship between Canada and the EU.
Just wanted to add the above as things to consider.
That's correct, actually, and given the demographic division Alberta's share would probably only be $10B or so ... and the Albertans might argue, with some justification, that they already paid (eg equalization payment contributions over the last 30 years probably around $70B or so).
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.”
A downfall of a democracy occurs when the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. - paraphrased by me…. Attributable to Alexander Tytler
Politics ultimately come down to "who decides?"/"says who?" and the heartbreaking answer to both at present is "not us." We to your south are far worse off demographically, actually, but people down here are fragmenting, sorting and separating so rapidly and widely that self-sufficient enclaves might still be possible. The key there is "might." I see no way this ends well for either of us though, because even if we get de facto or even de jure nations for our people the trauma will be immense. What is unfolding is utterly insane, unprecedented and made all the worse because it is self-inflicted. God help us.
I do find it worth pointing out that this self inflicted assault and immolation only seems to be happening in the West. I don't see Asia or Africa or South America tearing themselves apart. Only us. It reminds me of Tolkien's Sauron waging his war on the men of the West. We are the Dunedain and we are being hunted. We need to turn at bay and fight or all will be lost. There is a spark of hope here in the US but our own evil orcs (aka Democrats) are trying their best to snuff it out.
Asia is the major gainer from deinustrialisation of the West. Basically our elites gave away our birthright to get richer for themselves. And to make sure we couldn't fight back decided to simply replace us - only we are hamstrung by the fake-guilt mentality of colonialism/racism etc. That's why they don't tear themselves apart, they gain from us doing it.
Brilliant analysis but very sad. I’ve only visited Canada three times in 1981,2 and 3. Each time it was with Boston rugby club and we competed in the Montreal Irish rugby festival. Have to say I greatly enjoyed each visit although there was a distinct disdain for Americans in Le Vieux Carre I’m English so it didn’t bother me. This whole analysis is just horrible to read particularly as you don’t perceive any real hope for the future of Canada.
Canada as a political project is on the ropes. Purely through the greed and faithlessness of our elites, and the blindness of our citizenry. But I'm optimistic about the long term projects.
Is there really a Canadian ethnos. Certainly, the froggies are a separate thing. At least part of the Maritmes weren't even part of Canada until the 1940s. Ontario is certainly different from the Prairies and BC is a world of its own. Not to mention the unrestrained immigration and the fact that 90% live within 100 miles of the border.
From what I gather online: tough, OG Not-Americans. Authoritarian, extremely capable of violence. Picture Englishmen living in the Russian Wilderness for a couple centuries.
Yet Sifton still recruited Galicians to farm the Prairies on AB & SK because their homeland climate and landscape were so much like Galicia. Descendents of which have been part of the country for over a century. Wayne Gretzky being the most famous.
These days... "Not American" seems to be the identity? Historically that wasn't always the case. We were loyal to the crown and more conservative than the US.
It was Newfoundland that joined in '49 after the Brits figured out that they couldn't afford them anymore. They were mostly Irish so I'm sure the the English were happy to divest themselves.
I will point out that NFLD is not a Maritimes province... it's an Atlantic Province. The same sort sort of subtle distinction such as Nordic vs. Scandinavian.
I find people in the Marritmes to be straightup dumb and sickly. I've never seen a worse shithole in my life than Saint John, NB. It was like a primordial slime of horrible genetics splashed on a nuked rustbelt apocalypse. I think I saw a 13 month old baby smoking Export A Full Flavour cigarettes there. I've never taken in a city and dismissed it entirely more quickly. I'm sure "not all..." holds, but it was BAD.
Saint John is an arm pit today. Globalism hit the Maritimes later and it hit HARD. SJ was always a rough port city, but when shipping stopped and ship building stopped despair stepped in to fill the gap.
You cut them off and make them fend for themselves.
Before Dominion and the import tariffs that Upper Canada imposed on the Maritimes to promote manufacturing in Ontario (huh, funny how that works), people there used to be productive. Nova Scotia had one of the largest merchant fleets going. Ships were built all over the place... even in little specs like Parrsboro. Now they are a client of Ottawa and "free" government stuff is the mentality. It doesn't matter what level of government... it's "free". With equalization payments they are right in a contorted sort of way. Why try harder? The "free" money dries up. Equalization is a perverse incentive. It needs to die in a fire.
I'm old enough to remember when people flew the Dominion flag at half mast on Canada in parts of Nova Scotia. Joining Confederation was the beginning of the end for the Maritimes. Productive folks move away.
In Canada it's not duties/tariffs per se... but just a morass of regulations. If you are in province A and the regulations say X and in province B they say not X what is a company to do? Ignore the smaller market, if you are smart.
Another nightmare is the regulatory gauntlet to get a new project going. For example, Alberta would like to run a pipeline East to the refineries in St. John, New Brunswick. Not only do the Feds get involved, but you have Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, and Quebec sticking their fingers in the pie. Even the Mayor of Montreal weighed in to say that they shouldn't be piping "dirty oil" across Quebec. Meanwhile his city was dumping raw sewage into the St. Lawrence...
You should see Canadian duties on imported cheese/milk/etc. ... all in place way before Trump came onto the scene. I thought tariffs were bad... but I guess that's only when they are NOT protecting Quebecois dairy farmers.
I know the building Code of BC quite well and it is Stalinist. You need a fuck8ng engineered sheer wall on a bungalow. Huge insulation. Seismic tie downs. Adds immense cost. Its stupid. Houses built to last a thousand years that will be bulldozed for mixed condos in 10.
Not to diminish Britpop and Yorkshire Pudding but: Good. They completely fucked Europe by fighting on the entirely wrong side in WW2. Literally defeated the only successful anti-banking revolution in history while teaming up with Stalin. England took down a country that would have cured cancer, increased human beauty, had us on Mars by now. Germany's revenge is that they were absolutely in the historical right, and predicted with 100% accuracy what would happen if they were defeated.
Soaker, that’s as fascinating and heterodox as it can be.
Here is a quote that I bothered to write down from some random dude on one of these boards , his name was TR : “ the German national Socialists represent a unique villain to the modern liberal (Protestant )mind in that they are the first and only instance of a mass movement to go against the Christian values of valorizing the victim and the meek. The Nazi re- centered the strong as morally righteous and strength as virtue. “
You said they were anti-banker as well . Very interesting.
The anti-banker thing is certainly accurate, in my understanding. During that period Germany developed a novel financial system that essentially (if I understand it correctly) monetized labor, rather than debt, which then led to an unprecedented economic explosion during the 1930s. This is a large part of how Germany went from an impoverished, broken basketcase to a continent-straddling industrial war machine capable of taking on every great power in the world and very nearly winning, in just a few short years.
Europe could have thrived under a belief system that contained both Nietzchean ideas and Christianity, it isn't unusual for a non-believing elite to support the religious beliefs of the masses. Smarter people can have a more difficult time in accepting belief, because they question more. A Nietzschean could see the benefit in having the masses as having a Christian belief system. Christianity is a beautiful and powerful religion. In any case, religious faith implies believing in the intangible and transcendent.
I think that Nazis were decidedly against bankers, and usury. This does not mean that they were against the effective management of money and resources, as their unparalleled economic and social success before the destruction of war against three more powerful hostile empires showed.
> Europe could have thrived under a belief system that contained both Nietzchean ideas and Christianity, it isn't unusual for a non-believing elite to support the religious beliefs of the masses. Smarter people can have a more difficult time in accepting belief, because they question more. A Nietzschean could see the benefit in having the masses as having a Christian belief system. Christianity is a beautiful and powerful religion. In any case, religious faith implies believing in the intangible and transcendent.
This doesn't work. The masses will always attempt to mimic the belief system of the elites.
Also a system of Nietzschean amoralism means the elites would always be undermining society by backstabbing each other.
"to go against the Christian values of valorizing the victim and the meek". The modern breakdown of those "virtues" has created a moral derangement every Christian man before, to be safe, 1850 would be repulsed by.
You need to define what "banking" means, here. Storing money and investing? That is possible without the Keynsian/ usury model of banking. Compound interest is not integral to banking as a concept. You can lend somebody ten dollars and just expect to get paid back $12 by x date. Without trapping that person in debt. The debt and usury trap of banking is evil, and not neccessary. Its also why, for example, consumer goods are made to break, like the shit pair of Pumas I bought a month ago that are already falling apart at the heel...Our current banking system affects the whole way we do things for the worse. Its going to collapse.
> You can lend somebody ten dollars and just expect to get paid back $12 by x date. Without trapping that person in debt.
What do you mean? If somebody has just borrowed $10 presumably he doesn't want to just sit on the money. He wants to spend and/or invest it. Which means that it's entirely possibly he'll have a hard time producing the $12, or even $10, when the time for repayment comes along.
What does your "non-usurious" lending system do in that case? Keep in mind it has to be harsh enough to discourage people from borrowing money with no intention of paying back, and to encourage people who could pay back to actually make an effort to do so.
I think our current bankruptcy system does a decent job here, but you seem to imply you consider it unacceptably usurious.
I left England when I was 40 and I am now 74. I’ve lived in the States for the last 34 years. I watch in despair at the deliberate destruction of my homeland along with more than 1,000 years of history. If i were to return to England, which I won’t, I have no doubt that I would be imprisoned in very short order because I would insist on the right to express my opinion. The situation in England is even sadder than the situation in Canada. England gave the western world the concept of civil rights and Parliamentary democracy after a series of civil wars in the 16th century. Those civil rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are now gone, destroyed by a succession of increasingly authoritarian governments and the same two party hegemony as can be found in Canada where those two parties are simply the two cheeks of the same arsehole.
The other problem for Pierre Poilievre, besides his personality and softness on immigration, is that he is a libertarian in a country with a penchant for paternalistic soft-authoritarianism. Libertarianism is a philosophy that is heavily associated with the United States, which made it hard for Poilievre to campaign during a deluge of anti-Americanism. Carney, by contrast, perfectly embodies the kind of
soft-authoritarian father figure that Canadians flock to during a time of crisis.
Yes, our host descends into fantasy at the end there... He asks for the very party he just explained got zero seats. Unfortunately libertarianism isn't popular despite being the only stable and moral political system.
How'd you figure it's the polar opposite? You want a government that slashes spending on government projects and employees (smash the rice bowls), laughs in the face of racism accusations (i.e. fight woke = more defundings of grants and universities), which refocuses on defense spending and deregulates oil/gas/mineral exploitation.
The only thing that might not be considered libertarian is immigration restrictions, but the idea of unlimited mass immigration has never been a part of libertarianism anyway - at most they tend to be in favor of skilled immigration. But presumably you wouldn't say no to some skilled US or British mining engineers, if the Albertan economy needed them?
I dunno man, it sounds pretty libertarian to me at its core. That's how the left would try to frame it on the campaign trail at least. I get that you're imagining a much more culturally muscular party than the typical libertarian party would be, but things like "embracing Canada's traditionalist heritage" is hard to turn into government policy unless you plan lots of state spending on new museums or something. And if you intended that, it didn't come through clearly to me.
Eh, I probably wasn't actually all that clear to be fair. It's something I've been meaning to address at length for a while, and that wasn't really the right place to do it. I'll take this as impetus to develop this idea in a bit more detail.
Wow, what a shitshow. You know, we're seeing the world we were born into die a very very slow and agonising death. But in reality, that world only existed for about 80 years... unlike some other worlds that lasted for centuries at a minimum. So we shouldn't be sad to see it pass. Instead, we ought to embrace God and things he made. Old and bad dies to make way for the new and good. New that will, I hope, last for at least a thousand years... like the old civilizations.
Great piece, thanks for writing it! The election result was no surprise. The continuing mass invasion pretty much guaranteed that "Liberal" rule would extend from 2015 until the nation's final dissolution.
It's sad that the PPC failed to win even one seat, after all these years. The country now enters its second decade with no true Opposition MPs. (With the brief exception of Derek Sloan, before he was ejected from the "Conservatives".) Perhaps with someone from the prairies at the helm the PPC might have fared better, at least out West. When Max's ill-advised by-election run in Portage-Lisgar flopped, that would have been the perfect moment for a leadership convention.
The "Conservative" loss was predictable. From the moment he assumed "leadership" of the party, pussievre didn't even seem to be trying. Policy-wise, he scarcely deviated from red erin o'foole's piss-weak, Liberal-lite agenda. Personality wise, he was even smarmier and more unlikeable.
Thank God the "Conservatives" lost, though! Had they won, many of the party's supporters would have been lulled into a sense of complacency, and the fires of separatism would have dimmed.
With the hated "Liberals" receiving a renewed mandate, and separatism again moving to the front burner... The possibility of maintaining First World standards of living- at least in some regions - lives on. British Columbia is a conundrum, certainly. Could AB / SK / MB form a viable separate nation without BC? Shipping through the Arctic would be possible for a third or so of the year...
As others have said, it will likely be up to Quebecers to take the lead. If they do, the Western provinces may follow... And perhaps future generations will get to live in smaller, saner nations. With leaner, less corrupt governments, responsive to local concerns.
Hudson's Bay provides ocean access, but it's far from ideal. The British Colombian coastline certainly has its own challenges but is at least accessible year-round, which is why I think carving off northern BC is mandatory.
It's a bit academic though because I suspect in practice independence would be a short-lived transitional state between province and state.
A kamala "win" might well have sparked various secession movements south of the border, but the selection of orange man bad has obviated that for the foreseeable future.
Absent needing to put out that particular fire domestically, the American regime seems sincerely keen to take on new territory.
I think Prime Minister Stephen Harper was a man that could’ve done the job, but he was a little bit before the moment was right. He was a good serious steward of Canada‘s interests.
Call me retarded, but I vooted for the doomed PPC. Throw those poor dogs a bone.
As a 3rd generation BC native, the minute a western separatist movement gets going, I'm on it. I'm sick of this thing we call Canada. Perhaps we're too far gone into the collapse to build anything beautiful out of separation, but trying to maintain the illusion seems even worse.
Good for you!
Lacey, I’m a third generation, Ontario lad, and I echo your sentiment exactly. I put my energy into hoping for Quebec to separate, that would facilitate the complete collapse of Canada.
Let me tell you a little story about Quebec.
I landed as a legal immigrant in Canada on August 20th 1980. I did not speak English, but I was fluent in French.
My first job was in a fancy Italian restaurant. I was one of the three evening shift cooks.
I loved the job, I loved the team but I did not want to spend a day more than necessary in Quebec. I detested the culture and the attitude so perfectly encapsulated in the slogan on their license plates: “Je me souviens” “I remember” What they remember is that the French sold them and the English bought them. Quebec is an insular culture that revels in its bitterness. I lasted only four months. When I made the decision to move to Toronto, I gave notice to my boss who asked me not to tell anybody ‘till he finds a replacement. The cooks were all Italian, the waiters all French Canadian. I got along with everybody, but the day when my replacement showed up, one of the French waiters confronted me in the change room shouting: Mais tu es un traitre, tu t’est vendue aux Anglais!!! You are a traitor, you sold out to the English!!!
In a twisted way, it was touching because it meant that they liked me.
Me, the Hungarian, who just did not want to acclimatize into their miserable cultural bitterness.
I wish for a Canada without Quebec. I think it would do them good learning that socialism is not easy without a sugar daddy financing it.
Fantastic thank you Zork I found that very interesting
I would love for Quebec to separate as well... but I'm not holding my breath as that ends the gravy train.
Quebec is proof positive that multicultural societies do NOT work.
They are majority white, they used to be nominally Christian and even they cannot get along with the ROC. They whine and moan to get a bunch of gimmes. Sound like anyone else you know?
Same here on both count. Voting PPC and getting sick of Canada. I am a first generation immigrant, but came 44 years ago
The PPC is the only option. I won't vote for Pierre "My face smells like an Indian's ass" Pooplievre. Sorry to be crude, but his pandering was absolutely disgusting and turned me immediately off. His party basically had no platform that I could discern beyond race pandering. I'm surprised Pierre didn't queer up one of his kids to compete with Android Carney . This article nails my feeling on the matter.
Never feel bad for speaking the truth plainly.
Be crude, be crude-it’s the only mode of expression when describing the street-shitter invasion. Those immigration numbers are mind-blowing, even for an American.
I wish y'all the best. A strong, capitalist Canada benefits y'all and us.
For most of human history, plunder has been the route to wealth, the norm. Look at the remains of any ancient city in the near-east or Asia and you can still see the ruins of the walls, fortifications and battlements that they built to protect themselves from would-be plunderers.
So many people on our side of the fence blame socialism or Marxism for this state of affairs but the joy of plunder long predates Karl Marx and modern democracies are really nothing more than a systematised, prolonged and managerial process of internal plunder, as we can see in this description of Canada as well as Britain (where they are actually running out of things to plunder).
Liberal democracy cannot last. I think we may be heading for a slo-mo repeat of the Bronze Age collapse.
It's not even slo-mo. We're speedrunning it. It's just that time is compressed in history books. 30 year spans where something interesting happened are reduced to paragraphs, while centuries where nothing happened barely get full sentences.
The triumph of neoliberalism in the 90s, despite signs of decay even then, has given way in only a quarter century to impending and unavoidable catastrophe. If it's over by the end of the century that will still have been the fastest and steepest rise and fall of an empire and global political paradigm in human history.
I'd like it to go even faster. I'd like to live to see what comes next. I'd be old and have no influence on what that was, which is as it should be, but I could die happy knowing my grandchildren or great grandchildren had things in hand.
Time is also getting compressed by communications and transport technologies. We may well live to see both collapse and revival in our lifetimes.
That would be an attractive prospect, depending on what the revival becomes. But I fear we (in the US) were this -><- close to a total takeover by the neo-marxists and a fall into a western Soviet era. Europe is still headed that way. I'm not sure Trump can prevent it. He's not nearly ruthless enough.
Maybe it’s good that Trump isn’t that ruthless. he is a 78 year-old man how long will he last? it will take 20 years to undo this Marxist nonsense. If he goes to to fast, it could flame out.
Flame out is a significant risk. He's dismantling a dysfunctional international system, and in the chaotic transition between that and whatever comes next it's very possible that things fall apart completely.
Trump only has one term, but if his actions convince the voters that he is on the right path he sets up JD Vance to succeed him and carry on with the agenda. That gives 4-8 additional years.
> Trump only has one term, but if his actions convince the voters that he is on the right path
Well, so far he's not doing a good job at this due to a number of unforced errors.
Your mentioning "fence" triggered the memory of my father's comment likening taxation to milking your neighbour's cow through the fence...
The difference is that you can’t actually milk a cow thru the fence — that’s what the fence is for. Liberal democracy is the form of government that tells you you’re not allowed to build a fence and, moreover, wanting to makes you a bad person.
Democracy is someone else voting to give themselves my stuff.
Have you seen the average voter? They shouldn't be trusted with a butter knife let alone be anywhere near the levers of power.
Interesting point. I definitely dislike the modern version of plunder, but to what extent would /ourguys/ engage in the plunder of our enemies? Maybe a revival of colonialism to provide a constructive outlet for this plunder impulse?
If your internal enemies have plundered the majority of a rich nation’s wealth, and made peaceful reform impossible… then by definition, they’re sitting on a treasure trove.
Exactly. Socialists and social liberals should be plundered.
Simply removing the shackles which protect them in taking their ill-gotten gains would be excellent. Compelling the apparatus to serve the nation, or be destroyed, would do it.
I think this is the premise of the political right, whether it is of a populist or aristocratic flavor.
I agree that we're heading for a collapse similar to that of the Bronze Age. In fact, the Indo-European Conquests, the Bronze Age Collapse, the Barbarian Invasions, and today's immigration crisis do not merely resemble each other; they are also spaced roughly 1600 years apart. I'm currently working on a few articles that examine the similarities between these crises. Stop by if you're interested.
https://halloffire.substack.com/p/the-migration-cycle-part-1
I would say its more like the Gutenberg-to-30yrs-war transition, which was followed by a major global (European) settlement onto the Westphalian model.
The modern equivalent driven by the internet, but also by easy international transport - particularly of people moving en masse to the West. Maybe it is also the end of nationalism and a return to class/orders based social structure.
On a related note, Israel just destroyed Damascus, the longest continually inhabited city in the world.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/2/israel-launches-air-attacks-on-syrias-damascus-and-hama
Lots of commentary here down below but I was waiting for an actual Canadian. If I get this right, Canadians were so afraid of Trump they voted for a central banker, in two countries yet. The ultimate Davos man. Trump is said to dislike PP for reasons unknown to me. Perhaps the plan is to let Canada implode with socialist government and then have Alberta secede, with US backing. None the less, letting a foreign politician dominate the election seems to be really embarrassing. In Mexico, you have to go back to Porfirio Diaz (Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States). Since then Mexico has had more dignity. The problem is that Canada doesn't have a national identity other than Not the US.
My sincerest sympathy to decent Canadians. You are screwed.
Our national Identity would be very close to Russian, but that's a conversation people aren't ready for...
Very similar climate and geography, Christian, white nation with a mix of other people that until recently was very reasonable and worked well. Winter sports, same big animals, Arctic access, dabbled in socialism... hard drinkers...hot women... tough resource and construction core of men. Diverse science/tech/manufacturing, high tech economy. Canada should be culturally a lot like Russia, and we were actually very close during the Cold War. Few people know that the ideological core of Russian leadership decided to end the USSR during a trip to Canada when they saw how well our country functioned. Alexander Yakovlev:
https://www.tvo.org/article/in-1983-gorbachev-took-a-stroll-in-small-town-ontario-that-helped-shape-the-future-of-the-soviet
Have thought so myself. The Arctic and sub-Arctic nations should be converging or at least co-operating vigorously.
As an Australian, I am appalled that we are not engaging post-Soviet Russia. There are so many areas that we could learn from them or benefit from co-operation. Mining, energy, infrastructure, shipbuilding, logistics. And STEM education too. And they are way easier to work with than South Asians.
Easier to work with, easier to get along with, and the women a whole lot easier to look at.
Hey John, I just woke up and had the following thought:
They say we have free speech, but... you have to pay for it to be heard anywhere. On the radio. You gotta pay to debate on college. Ads in a paper cost money. If you try to give a speech at the mall, or a hockey game, you'll be shown out by security...
We exactly DONT have free speech. Its profoundly true.
I just dreamed that. Just woke up.
I suppose that was true twenty years ago. These days one can develop insane reach over social media for free, however.
You're going to get shut down on most social media if you speak too freely, though... I'm thinking free speech like, Ancient Greece where the public participated in forums where anyone could speak. (And sometimes got killed).
Richard is right. Canadians are screwed.
Although thoroughly disgusted by the never-ending, churlish stupidity of the Canadian public east of the prairies, I can't say I'm overly disappointed. I have never thought for one second that a party of pandering wimps (the Conservatives) and their pussy leader could for one second have the ability to deal with what is coming down the pipe. So from that perspective, I am quite happy to have the assholes responsible for the death spiral Canada is in (with the perfect stooge, asshole, and charlatan as its leader), to be in power for the country's demise.
I give this country 5 years at most, until its dissolution. Few have any idea of the shit storm coming our way.
Agreed. I'm hoping for simultaneous separatist flare ups from Quebec and the West. If Canada's economy goes too far into debt, they might try and stick Canada with the bill and eff off. That would be hilarious.
RT Rider I thought the exact same thing: these bastard liberals should be in power when the country collapses. That way they’ll be no doubt who was responsible.
The petition for an Alberta separation referendum is getting signatures very quickly. Political collapse may not be far off.
Can't say I'm saddened by the demise of Poilievre and several of the others. But I'm just thinking that this might not be such a bad outcome. When Western Canada gets so fed up with the parasites in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver, the independence movement in the west grows to irresistible proportions. Or am I dreaming?
Robert A , you’re saying that the dissolution of Canada is a good thing. You’re a terrible terrible treasonous man. But then again, so am I, i’m sick of Canada. We gotta go.
The 26 Quebec election will see the Party Québécois take power and they promise a referendum. By then, Alberta should be pulsing with hatred for Ottawa. Quebec referendum plus Alberta independence movement could generate momentum and surely orange man bad will be sniping from the south. I think this is likely to happen. I’m not sure what the outcome will be, but I think we are headed to this destination.
This is a very plausible timeline.
The timeline will be accelerated if the economic and financial failures are of the magnitude which I believe is likely, happens. If so, there will be little incentive for provinces like Alberta, Saskatchewan and BC to remain, once they realize that the federal government will have few tools to resolve the crisis. When the credit markets have failed, and you're a bankrupt entity, money printing is the only resort, since nobody is going to lend you a looney, let alone billions. Currency collapse will result.
Other ploys like bail-ins, bail-outs, and plunder-sized taxation will only make the social unrest, worse.
And once the gravy train from Ottawa to Quebec is cut off, they'll be gone in a heartbeat. They've only been hanging on to the-pretend-we're-Canadian shtick because of the multi-billions in payoff they receive annually.
Over my lifetime of 70 years, I have witnessed the ongoing strip mining of wealth form the productive class to the middle men (the ruling class, paid political stooges, and cronies) and then whatever crumbs are left over are swept from the table, to the lumpenproles groveling at their feet. In addition, the country has been culturally deracinated, socially destabilized, and invaded by hoards of unassimilable and unwanted immigrants. All of which makes for a very leaky vessel to fill with hope for the future, especially for those who still think it's worth saving.
There's nothing but habit and bribes holding the country together.
AB and SK I can see leaving. But Vancouver won't, what's the rest of the province to do?
Separate from Vancouver. Let it be a city state.
What's the fastest way from India to China?
The Knight Street bridge
The industrious parts of BC went blue. They have no love for Vancouver either.
Bravo, well said.
Any commentary on your Boomer-Canadian contemporaries, RT?
After seeing that photo of the Boomer with the middle fingers, I have the desire to cross the 49th parallel with an armed insurgency to redistribute Boomer homes to Millennials and Zoomers at gunpoint.
Yeah. Too much drugs and booze for courage when protesting Nam and da Man, fried their brains (and I wasn't pro Vietnam). I was a jock and didn't get along too well with the hippie crowd, although good times were had kicking hippie ass. Posterity has certainly proved them hypocrites, though.
Canada is already well advanced in the process of dissolution. The issue now is not should it survive, but how long it can.
Canada's old suzerain is a failed state. Ottawa's closest ally, the EU, has started a blood feud with Russia and its aggressive, ambitious, neighbour is at risk from its willful failure to interdict narcotics and its willingness to sell itself to the CCP.
Canadians are lucky that the US still has significant reserves of sane white people left. The Albertans, Manitobans etc either become US protectorates or get colonized by India and the ummah. My guess is that the Albertans etc prefer good choices to bad ones.
[BTW just posted longer contribution to this thread a moment ago. Would be interested on your thoughts]
American self interest is Canada's best hope right now. Or, more accurately, the best hope of Canadians. As you say, Canada is doomed.
That cheered me right up, thanks!
lol, I presume you are referring to RT Riders diatribe, yes?
I’m of the opinion that RT is spot on correct . I’m not sure why economic recession is on the horizon, but should he be right about a deep recession, the Canadian nation is very exposed. Basically I agree with absolutely everything he said, and I think he said it very well, but I don’t have the sense that we’re headed into an economic disaster.
We Americans had to get through McCain and Romney before we got Trump.
And maybe BC could be used as a sweetener for the Democrats to allow in Alberta and the other Prairies.
EXACTLY!
The whole Anglosphere needs a Reform movement to develop asap, if Reform UK does well, CA, AU & NZ should follow to bust open the duopoly and offer a real road out of decline. Canada has an easier to break into electoral system than we do in Australia.
Poilievre is in political heaven now. Cleaning some Indian guru's ass with his tongue. Don't cry for him, its what he loves.
🤣🤣🤣
This is what's commonly known as "cope".
If Canadians had any sense or spirit garbage like Carney or Poilievre would not have viable careers in politics at any level to begin with. As an Australian, it gives me no pleasure to acknowledge the obvious comparison between the two peoples and their respective political classes. I have long thought that my country was better governed by the old Colonial Office than it has been by the successor regime.
IMO there is no use fixing politics. Fixing the people comes first. Once that is done the politics takes care of itself.
The Grim Reaper will purge the voter rolls. The Boomers have an imminent appointment in a much hotter place than Florida. When they go things will change quickly.
Long-term, the prospect of secession is likely to grow. Much will depend on the fate of South Africa and the UK itself. If the Western Cape can free itself of the ANC the demonstration effect on the Anglosphere will be immediate and very powerful. Should the UK sink into civil conflict as per Professor David Betz's thinking, it will become impossible for the Canadian political classes to manage the issue of infinity migration.
Two critical issues: war and finance. Interstate competition creates opportunities for stateless peoples. And white Canadians are effectively stateless. Ottawa belongs to the global oligarchy. Canada itself is now a global commons for oligarchs and the replacements. But global rivalries are heating up fast. It is worth remembering that in the late 1940s the Zionist movement, operating from a position of weakness, successfully leveraged between rival powers (the US and the USSR) to create Israel in the face of opposition from the UK as well as the US foreign policy establishment.
Alberta and co. must do the same, albeit within a different context. They need to identify parties which stand to benefit from Ottawa losing control of the resources of the western provinces. More on this further down. Also need to identify the rivals of those who are OK with the status quo.
The elites of Western Canada need to do the work for an eventual bid for US support. If they don't, they will robbed blind by the replacements and their sponsors in Ottawa and the Global South. Ottawa has nothing to offer but impoverishment and degradation. Do they want the Fraser and Saskatchewan rivers to end up like the Ganges?
Finance is tricky. Who owns Canada's debt? The advantage that a potential seccesionist state has is its ability to prioritise creditors. A Western Canadian federation can incentivize foreign support by offering to repay its share of Canada's debts in hard currency (backed by resources), with priority to bondholders from nations that recognize its independence. Such bondholders form a key constituency that could be won over to support freedom for the western provinces.
At the moment neither Russia nor China would support secession by the Western Canadians. Washington under MAGA might do so in the foreseeable future. If the EU cannot resolve its blood feud with Russia the Russians might well eventually conclude that the EU needs to be cut off from Ottawa's tributary provinces.
In conclusion, there is no need for Canadians to blackpill. The status quo is unsustainable. Change is inevitable. Work towards the future but don't forget: revel in your time!
That's a very practical proposal, which would very likely work. Bravo.
It doesn't do me much good unfortunately. I'm not from Alberta...
That’s very solid Philip. Very very solid. I’m gonna think about it for a bit. It’s a bit above me.
From what I could see in a cursory search is that the vast majority of Canada's national debt is not owned by other nations, but by investors: insurance companies, pension funds, financial institutions (answer didn't specify or name names) and such. About 110bn is owned by foreign states.
You mention the EU. It has a free trade - no tariffs kind of deal going on with Canada right now, and both seem set to strengthen and tighten those ties to include Canada as much as possible in the EU free trade zone. I mention it because it might affect your idea. When it comes to Russia and the EU, what Russia wants from the EU is this:
1) No more support to Ukraine; 2) No NATO or EU membership for Ukraine; 3) dropped sanctions and normalisation of trade with EU nations. Currently, points 1 and 2 make 3 a political impossibility, but that could change in weeks - the EU is very good at the "We've always been at war with Oceania"-schtick, given the near-total alliance of state and corporate capitalist broadcasting and news coverage. It is highly unlikely that Russia can do anything at all to the relationship between Canada and the EU.
Just wanted to add the above as things to consider.
That's correct, actually, and given the demographic division Alberta's share would probably only be $10B or so ... and the Albertans might argue, with some justification, that they already paid (eg equalization payment contributions over the last 30 years probably around $70B or so).
Clever idea about finance. I am going to work that into my proposals for the National Divorce down here.
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.”
We only have collapse to look forward to now.
Thank you, Scottish Lord WoodhouseLee
Smiles whose quote was that?
Widely attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler
A downfall of a democracy occurs when the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. - paraphrased by me…. Attributable to Alexander Tytler
Politics ultimately come down to "who decides?"/"says who?" and the heartbreaking answer to both at present is "not us." We to your south are far worse off demographically, actually, but people down here are fragmenting, sorting and separating so rapidly and widely that self-sufficient enclaves might still be possible. The key there is "might." I see no way this ends well for either of us though, because even if we get de facto or even de jure nations for our people the trauma will be immense. What is unfolding is utterly insane, unprecedented and made all the worse because it is self-inflicted. God help us.
I do find it worth pointing out that this self inflicted assault and immolation only seems to be happening in the West. I don't see Asia or Africa or South America tearing themselves apart. Only us. It reminds me of Tolkien's Sauron waging his war on the men of the West. We are the Dunedain and we are being hunted. We need to turn at bay and fight or all will be lost. There is a spark of hope here in the US but our own evil orcs (aka Democrats) are trying their best to snuff it out.
Asia is the major gainer from deinustrialisation of the West. Basically our elites gave away our birthright to get richer for themselves. And to make sure we couldn't fight back decided to simply replace us - only we are hamstrung by the fake-guilt mentality of colonialism/racism etc. That's why they don't tear themselves apart, they gain from us doing it.
Canada may soon become India west. Start watching your daughters, lest they become sex slaves to the men from the east.
Or the UK west.
Possibly two Khalistani statelets in Surrey and Brampton. With the requisite Modi Hindu meddling and discord built in
Brilliant analysis but very sad. I’ve only visited Canada three times in 1981,2 and 3. Each time it was with Boston rugby club and we competed in the Montreal Irish rugby festival. Have to say I greatly enjoyed each visit although there was a distinct disdain for Americans in Le Vieux Carre I’m English so it didn’t bother me. This whole analysis is just horrible to read particularly as you don’t perceive any real hope for the future of Canada.
Canada as a political project is on the ropes. Purely through the greed and faithlessness of our elites, and the blindness of our citizenry. But I'm optimistic about the long term projects.
I don't know how you fix Ontario and the farther east you go from there, the worse it gets.
Inside the current system nothing can be fixed. What I'm optimistic about is the ethnos, the people. The state will be discarded as unfit for purpose.
Or the people will go extinct.
Is there really a Canadian ethnos. Certainly, the froggies are a separate thing. At least part of the Maritmes weren't even part of Canada until the 1940s. Ontario is certainly different from the Prairies and BC is a world of its own. Not to mention the unrestrained immigration and the fact that 90% live within 100 miles of the border.
The United Empire Loyalists are definitely a distinct ethnic group.
From what I gather online: tough, OG Not-Americans. Authoritarian, extremely capable of violence. Picture Englishmen living in the Russian Wilderness for a couple centuries.
Yet Sifton still recruited Galicians to farm the Prairies on AB & SK because their homeland climate and landscape were so much like Galicia. Descendents of which have been part of the country for over a century. Wayne Gretzky being the most famous.
These days... "Not American" seems to be the identity? Historically that wasn't always the case. We were loyal to the crown and more conservative than the US.
It was Newfoundland that joined in '49 after the Brits figured out that they couldn't afford them anymore. They were mostly Irish so I'm sure the the English were happy to divest themselves.
I will point out that NFLD is not a Maritimes province... it's an Atlantic Province. The same sort sort of subtle distinction such as Nordic vs. Scandinavian.
I figured that out about NFL but from this distance, it seems like a technicality.
Literally the first "Not-Americans"... loyalists fled the US and moved to Ontario, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick. We used to have a unifying culture.
I find people in the Marritmes to be straightup dumb and sickly. I've never seen a worse shithole in my life than Saint John, NB. It was like a primordial slime of horrible genetics splashed on a nuked rustbelt apocalypse. I think I saw a 13 month old baby smoking Export A Full Flavour cigarettes there. I've never taken in a city and dismissed it entirely more quickly. I'm sure "not all..." holds, but it was BAD.
Saint John is an arm pit today. Globalism hit the Maritimes later and it hit HARD. SJ was always a rough port city, but when shipping stopped and ship building stopped despair stepped in to fill the gap.
I thought Moncton was worse.
The kid had just finished a case of HiTest before you saw him
You cut them off and make them fend for themselves.
Before Dominion and the import tariffs that Upper Canada imposed on the Maritimes to promote manufacturing in Ontario (huh, funny how that works), people there used to be productive. Nova Scotia had one of the largest merchant fleets going. Ships were built all over the place... even in little specs like Parrsboro. Now they are a client of Ottawa and "free" government stuff is the mentality. It doesn't matter what level of government... it's "free". With equalization payments they are right in a contorted sort of way. Why try harder? The "free" money dries up. Equalization is a perverse incentive. It needs to die in a fire.
I'm old enough to remember when people flew the Dominion flag at half mast on Canada in parts of Nova Scotia. Joining Confederation was the beginning of the end for the Maritimes. Productive folks move away.
I read somewhere that the intraCanada duties were worse than anything Trump proposed.
In Canada it's not duties/tariffs per se... but just a morass of regulations. If you are in province A and the regulations say X and in province B they say not X what is a company to do? Ignore the smaller market, if you are smart.
Another nightmare is the regulatory gauntlet to get a new project going. For example, Alberta would like to run a pipeline East to the refineries in St. John, New Brunswick. Not only do the Feds get involved, but you have Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, and Quebec sticking their fingers in the pie. Even the Mayor of Montreal weighed in to say that they shouldn't be piping "dirty oil" across Quebec. Meanwhile his city was dumping raw sewage into the St. Lawrence...
You should see Canadian duties on imported cheese/milk/etc. ... all in place way before Trump came onto the scene. I thought tariffs were bad... but I guess that's only when they are NOT protecting Quebecois dairy farmers.
I know the building Code of BC quite well and it is Stalinist. You need a fuck8ng engineered sheer wall on a bungalow. Huge insulation. Seismic tie downs. Adds immense cost. Its stupid. Houses built to last a thousand years that will be bulldozed for mixed condos in 10.
I do hope your optimism is justified John.
That makes two of us.
Well if you're English, I can't say you're in a much better boat. Enjoy your own collapse, it's coming soon.
England is every bit as screwed, if not more so.
Not to diminish Britpop and Yorkshire Pudding but: Good. They completely fucked Europe by fighting on the entirely wrong side in WW2. Literally defeated the only successful anti-banking revolution in history while teaming up with Stalin. England took down a country that would have cured cancer, increased human beauty, had us on Mars by now. Germany's revenge is that they were absolutely in the historical right, and predicted with 100% accuracy what would happen if they were defeated.
Soaker, that’s as fascinating and heterodox as it can be.
Here is a quote that I bothered to write down from some random dude on one of these boards , his name was TR : “ the German national Socialists represent a unique villain to the modern liberal (Protestant )mind in that they are the first and only instance of a mass movement to go against the Christian values of valorizing the victim and the meek. The Nazi re- centered the strong as morally righteous and strength as virtue. “
You said they were anti-banker as well . Very interesting.
The anti-banker thing is certainly accurate, in my understanding. During that period Germany developed a novel financial system that essentially (if I understand it correctly) monetized labor, rather than debt, which then led to an unprecedented economic explosion during the 1930s. This is a large part of how Germany went from an impoverished, broken basketcase to a continent-straddling industrial war machine capable of taking on every great power in the world and very nearly winning, in just a few short years.
> Germany developed a novel financial system that essentially (if I understand it correctly) monetized labor, rather than debt
They didn't. Their system was basically "borrow money from your neighbors, then invade them to cancel the debt".
Thank you for your response.
Europe could have thrived under a belief system that contained both Nietzchean ideas and Christianity, it isn't unusual for a non-believing elite to support the religious beliefs of the masses. Smarter people can have a more difficult time in accepting belief, because they question more. A Nietzschean could see the benefit in having the masses as having a Christian belief system. Christianity is a beautiful and powerful religion. In any case, religious faith implies believing in the intangible and transcendent.
I think that Nazis were decidedly against bankers, and usury. This does not mean that they were against the effective management of money and resources, as their unparalleled economic and social success before the destruction of war against three more powerful hostile empires showed.
> Europe could have thrived under a belief system that contained both Nietzchean ideas and Christianity, it isn't unusual for a non-believing elite to support the religious beliefs of the masses. Smarter people can have a more difficult time in accepting belief, because they question more. A Nietzschean could see the benefit in having the masses as having a Christian belief system. Christianity is a beautiful and powerful religion. In any case, religious faith implies believing in the intangible and transcendent.
This doesn't work. The masses will always attempt to mimic the belief system of the elites.
Also a system of Nietzschean amoralism means the elites would always be undermining society by backstabbing each other.
"to go against the Christian values of valorizing the victim and the meek". The modern breakdown of those "virtues" has created a moral derangement every Christian man before, to be safe, 1850 would be repulsed by.
Banking is what made the industrial revolution possible.
You need to define what "banking" means, here. Storing money and investing? That is possible without the Keynsian/ usury model of banking. Compound interest is not integral to banking as a concept. You can lend somebody ten dollars and just expect to get paid back $12 by x date. Without trapping that person in debt. The debt and usury trap of banking is evil, and not neccessary. Its also why, for example, consumer goods are made to break, like the shit pair of Pumas I bought a month ago that are already falling apart at the heel...Our current banking system affects the whole way we do things for the worse. Its going to collapse.
> You can lend somebody ten dollars and just expect to get paid back $12 by x date. Without trapping that person in debt.
What do you mean? If somebody has just borrowed $10 presumably he doesn't want to just sit on the money. He wants to spend and/or invest it. Which means that it's entirely possibly he'll have a hard time producing the $12, or even $10, when the time for repayment comes along.
What does your "non-usurious" lending system do in that case? Keep in mind it has to be harsh enough to discourage people from borrowing money with no intention of paying back, and to encourage people who could pay back to actually make an effort to do so.
I think our current bankruptcy system does a decent job here, but you seem to imply you consider it unacceptably usurious.
(Ted k quote here)
Canada is England's mini me.
How the turn worms.
I left England when I was 40 and I am now 74. I’ve lived in the States for the last 34 years. I watch in despair at the deliberate destruction of my homeland along with more than 1,000 years of history. If i were to return to England, which I won’t, I have no doubt that I would be imprisoned in very short order because I would insist on the right to express my opinion. The situation in England is even sadder than the situation in Canada. England gave the western world the concept of civil rights and Parliamentary democracy after a series of civil wars in the 16th century. Those civil rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are now gone, destroyed by a succession of increasingly authoritarian governments and the same two party hegemony as can be found in Canada where those two parties are simply the two cheeks of the same arsehole.
What's happening in Britain breaks my heart every bit as much as what's happening in Canada. Maybe more so.
Sorry to hear the election news. Maybe Trump will accept Alberta for statehood, U.S. Territory or becoming part of Montana.
Otherwise, you guys need giant meteorites to hit Ottawa, Toronto and Vancouver at the exact same time.
The other problem for Pierre Poilievre, besides his personality and softness on immigration, is that he is a libertarian in a country with a penchant for paternalistic soft-authoritarianism. Libertarianism is a philosophy that is heavily associated with the United States, which made it hard for Poilievre to campaign during a deluge of anti-Americanism. Carney, by contrast, perfectly embodies the kind of
soft-authoritarian father figure that Canadians flock to during a time of crisis.
This is pointed out in the article.
Yes, though to be fair, more in context of the PPC.
Yes, our host descends into fantasy at the end there... He asks for the very party he just explained got zero seats. Unfortunately libertarianism isn't popular despite being the only stable and moral political system.
I suggested the polar opposite of libertarianism, but cheers for reading comprehension.
How'd you figure it's the polar opposite? You want a government that slashes spending on government projects and employees (smash the rice bowls), laughs in the face of racism accusations (i.e. fight woke = more defundings of grants and universities), which refocuses on defense spending and deregulates oil/gas/mineral exploitation.
The only thing that might not be considered libertarian is immigration restrictions, but the idea of unlimited mass immigration has never been a part of libertarianism anyway - at most they tend to be in favor of skilled immigration. But presumably you wouldn't say no to some skilled US or British mining engineers, if the Albertan economy needed them?
I dunno man, it sounds pretty libertarian to me at its core. That's how the left would try to frame it on the campaign trail at least. I get that you're imagining a much more culturally muscular party than the typical libertarian party would be, but things like "embracing Canada's traditionalist heritage" is hard to turn into government policy unless you plan lots of state spending on new museums or something. And if you intended that, it didn't come through clearly to me.
Eh, I probably wasn't actually all that clear to be fair. It's something I've been meaning to address at length for a while, and that wasn't really the right place to do it. I'll take this as impetus to develop this idea in a bit more detail.
Cool, looking forward to reading it!
Wow, what a shitshow. You know, we're seeing the world we were born into die a very very slow and agonising death. But in reality, that world only existed for about 80 years... unlike some other worlds that lasted for centuries at a minimum. So we shouldn't be sad to see it pass. Instead, we ought to embrace God and things he made. Old and bad dies to make way for the new and good. New that will, I hope, last for at least a thousand years... like the old civilizations.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUyGT3KDxwC8u4jG_tOjN-8-bsHxucUxn <-- find ONE that lasted less than a few centuries
Great piece, thanks for writing it! The election result was no surprise. The continuing mass invasion pretty much guaranteed that "Liberal" rule would extend from 2015 until the nation's final dissolution.
It's sad that the PPC failed to win even one seat, after all these years. The country now enters its second decade with no true Opposition MPs. (With the brief exception of Derek Sloan, before he was ejected from the "Conservatives".) Perhaps with someone from the prairies at the helm the PPC might have fared better, at least out West. When Max's ill-advised by-election run in Portage-Lisgar flopped, that would have been the perfect moment for a leadership convention.
The "Conservative" loss was predictable. From the moment he assumed "leadership" of the party, pussievre didn't even seem to be trying. Policy-wise, he scarcely deviated from red erin o'foole's piss-weak, Liberal-lite agenda. Personality wise, he was even smarmier and more unlikeable.
Thank God the "Conservatives" lost, though! Had they won, many of the party's supporters would have been lulled into a sense of complacency, and the fires of separatism would have dimmed.
With the hated "Liberals" receiving a renewed mandate, and separatism again moving to the front burner... The possibility of maintaining First World standards of living- at least in some regions - lives on. British Columbia is a conundrum, certainly. Could AB / SK / MB form a viable separate nation without BC? Shipping through the Arctic would be possible for a third or so of the year...
As others have said, it will likely be up to Quebecers to take the lead. If they do, the Western provinces may follow... And perhaps future generations will get to live in smaller, saner nations. With leaner, less corrupt governments, responsive to local concerns.
Hudson's Bay provides ocean access, but it's far from ideal. The British Colombian coastline certainly has its own challenges but is at least accessible year-round, which is why I think carving off northern BC is mandatory.
It's a bit academic though because I suspect in practice independence would be a short-lived transitional state between province and state.
You are probably right.
A kamala "win" might well have sparked various secession movements south of the border, but the selection of orange man bad has obviated that for the foreseeable future.
Absent needing to put out that particular fire domestically, the American regime seems sincerely keen to take on new territory.
Smaller, saner nations would be a boon world-wide, not just in Canada.
Luigi speaks for me.
Thanks!
Wishing you well. Is there a Conservative leader who is capable of leading?
Nope
Maxime Bernier would have been but they screwed him out of his rightful place as party leader.
Was Steven Harper close, he had Jim Flarrety as finance minister, a serious man (died very young)
I don't know Canadian leadership very well. Was hoping someone could fill in.
I think Prime Minister Stephen Harper was a man that could’ve done the job, but he was a little bit before the moment was right. He was a good serious steward of Canada‘s interests.
Might have had the right personality, but too much of a system/organization man. I don't think Harper had the necessary fire.