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Dr. Joe P.'s avatar

I agree with you 100%! I vote for a legitimate, accurate remake! 🚀

One issue I thought was something that should be discussed. What about the idea that if you don’t serve you don’t vote? Even handicapped folks can do desk jobs and such in the military. Look at the guy at the intake desk with no legs. That’s one government job that would make sense for the reason behind it. 🤷

The other book is like to see as a good movie is IIRC Joe Haldeman’s “The Forever War.” Does that ring any bells?

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How did you get hold of my copy of "Starship Troopers"?

Because the one in the photo looks almost identical to it.

I came to ST by way of WH40K, a game and game-world I've inhabited since its inception in 1987, and to me the original description and depiction of the Emperor's Angels of Death will always be how I see the MI:

MkV-MkVI Power Armour, with the classic, nay the real, helmet. The Beakie. Jump-pack, hand flamer, crack* and frag grenades, combat knife, bolt pistol - how can one not fall in love with the idea of a 20mm Gauss/gryojet-weapon firing ammo that explodes inside the target? And...

...the chainsword, taken from the pages of 2000ADs "Nemesis the Warlock"** and made into pure glory incarnate and incarnadine!

Ahem.

Right, ST and The Debate that needn't be, if modern-day "Marxists"*** knew anything but that word when it comes to their ideology. The Federation is not communist, that's for sure, but remember we only have Rico's perspective and knowledge - we do not have an omniscient narrator telling us things. We know there are unions powerful enough to lobby the Federation's upper echelon for being a merchant marine counting as franchise-awarding service - the fight-scene when the cadets are on leave tells us this. We know police, judges et c must be veterans, as must the teachers of a certain subject. A course that is mandatory (on Earth, and in all its nations) and must be taken, but without any grade attached. A course that is virtual political programming, from what we see in the novel.

Point being, if the so-called Marxists had three-digit IQs they'd realise that there's plenty in the description of the Federation that speaks to it being a mixed-economy: an idea now asleep, but alive and well when the novel was written. Some things, the state does best because there's no real way of making them profitable, monetarily speaking, and all others are best handled by people themselves. The scenes at the testing centre are in part about that separation: the state (the Federation's military in this case) hires people as needed, but those are not veterans nor citizens. One of the doctors Rico speaks with makes this very clear.

But the bottom line is, calling the Federation fascist or communist or liberal (classical, not present day "fejk and ghey") or any -ism is missing the main point:

Which is, you do what works because it works and you keep doing it because it is what works. Rasczak says it more or less erbatim, if I recall correctly.

And that's the point: it works, therefore it is right. The people you engaged with online, John, in the referenced bits above, thinks that if it's right, it works.

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*For younger fellow commenters, back in the 1980s we had this thing called freedom of expression, which meant that only nitwits and scoldblooded neverfucks thought "crack grenade" would have anything to do with drugs. Today, you're not that lucky, so you're stuck with "krak" grenades, because if it'd been spelled the original way, why you might of start doing drugs, you widdle Timmy you.

**Get the collected edition today. Virtually all "grim-dark" (and grim-dork too!) sci-fi in games, music and art owes as much to this comic as does post-apoc to Mad Max or cyberpunk to Bladerunner. Be Pure! Be Vigilant! Behave!

***Lenin would send them all to a kolchoz, for being counter-revolutionary degenarates!

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