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John's avatar

Having fought wildland fires for the better part of 35 years, that many fires, this early in the season, starting within a short period of time and clustered as they are, without any significant lightning, it is definitely man caused, and without any other extenuating circumstances, most likely a "public-private partnership", meant to instill climate passion.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to start a fire, especially when they can flood the zone with a high quantity, so any handful of climate wackos, given half a day of information, could easily pull this off.

But knowing when and where, would require some level of training, experience and organization. For that, I would lean towards the CAN gov't using the easily radicalized as their implementation.

I will have to take a closer look.

John Carter's avatar

Thank you for sharing that perspective. Interesting to note that my hypothesis is consistent with your more informed expertise.

Roman S Shapoval's avatar

Why/how they'd start all at once is what intrigues me. It could still be arson, but how would it benefit them to coordinate men on the ground to do this all at once? I mean, who cares if there's a few minutes delay in starting each fire, they're still being started. The only way I see that this could be started simultaneously would be through 5G satellites. Thoughts?

John Carter's avatar

You could do it very easily with drones and incendiary devices.

As to why? The Eastern seaboard was blanketed with a giant cloud of smoke and all the NPCs are yipping about climate change.

Roman S Shapoval's avatar

Many of my neighbors are masking up, and I can see how it fuels the narrative. What I meant was why all at once...at least from that tictoc video it seemed instantaneous...too obvious. Then again so was building 7. Drones could certainly explain it. To me the pattern seems so instant and perfect, like those of directed energy weapons.

John Carter's avatar

If you want to create a single giant cloud of smoke, you need to light all the fires at the same time.

Roman S Shapoval's avatar

Didn't know that, but makes sense. Thank you John.

Fear's avatar

John, the same thing happened in the US Western states during the BLM(not run by B's)/antifa riots the summer of 2020. I had a time lapse video of the fires starting on satellite from North to South over 1000 miles, always at night.

Of course it was God angry that his angelic son George Floyd had been so struck down in the prime of his felonious potential. The liestream news claimed "Dry Lightning" since there were no storms.

"Dry Lightning" over 1000 miles overnight. I shit you not.

John Carter's avatar

Seems legit. Isn't climate change amazing?

Tony Ryan's avatar

On the logistical front, it is common practice in Australia to lob incendaries from a light plane (the euphemistic 'control burns'). Three or four planes, requiring a pilot each and some lazy sod lobbing a delayed incendiary every ten minutes or so, would do the trick in Canada. Emulating catastrophic planetary destruction is basically a light hobby for those thus inclined. Only declaring Greta Queen of the Universe will end this righteous punishment.

John Fieldhouse's avatar

I remember those particular fires stopping at the Canadian border.

Fear's avatar

Maybe the fires weren't fully vaccinated eh?

Michi Birk's avatar

🤣🤣🤣

yaldabaoth's avatar

Saint Floyd of the Fentanyl died for black sins

Fear's avatar

He died eating what he loved.

𝙂𝙊𝙊𝘿 𝘾𝙄𝙏𝙄𝙕𝙀𝙉's avatar

For the blanket of 'climate change' that wraps all tyrannies into one snuggly future of subservience. DEWs. State on behalf of non state. Same in CA, OR, WA, ID, MT since at least 2015. OR you know, magic lightning bolts, followed by magic flames that only strike and burn houses and leave trees alone.

https://shiftfrequency.com/dew-fires-not-wildfires/

John Carter's avatar

I've seen the directed energy weapon suggestion, but it seems unnecessary to me. All you really need are drones dropping matches.

𝙂𝙊𝙊𝘿 𝘾𝙄𝙏𝙄𝙕𝙀𝙉's avatar

I don't know if a match would do it without accelerants. In June things aren't so dry. That's why that graph looks that way. Unless Quebec has been hot for a month or more, but it appears to have been cool and mild. Even lightning strikes don't always start wild fires. They burn out after x or xx amount of hectares. They already used DEWs in Paradise and Santa Ana and near Tahoe last summer. Probably Oregon in 2019 and so on. Easy to use, gets us labeled "conspiracy nuts" and gets the job done. The fact we're even having this conversation is insane. Just look at these fuckers...

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/151430/fires-burn-across-quebec

John Carter's avatar

It's been pretty dry around here, actually - hasn't rained in a couple weeks or so. That said, I'm being a bit facetious about the match. But standard incendiary devices dropped by drones seem like they'd be enough to get the job done, if you don't want to be nearby when the fire starts.

𝙂𝙊𝙊𝘿 𝘾𝙄𝙏𝙄𝙕𝙀𝙉's avatar

Hahha. I suspected something but one always risks being wrong and then insulting. I'm just a blind sheep John.

John's avatar

Not to add fuel to the fire, but technology has improved the match. This device has been in use for well over 50 years;

https://youtu.be/3iPNOw-oQgo

And these have been used for several years as well;

https://youtu.be/7AVotlkYEnU

This of course would definitely accelerate the need for alphabet agency involvement, but again, none of it is real rocket science.

John Carter's avatar

>add fuel to the fire

I see what you did there.

Fear's avatar

Gov't drones are huge and certainly capable of multiple extended fire sessions... Then there is also the cheaper alternative of 3-4 gov't plated and credentialed windowless dark blue vans stopping every few hundred miles for more gasoline and road flares.

John Carter's avatar

Sure. But a quadrotor can fly a few km into the forest and drop the incendiary with no witnesses.

The Last Nabataean's avatar

If it is arson, then I tend to think it was committed by the Canadian government for the reasons to which you refer. Actually, and more accurately perhaps, those parts of the state machine that work in symbiosis with the parasite class who make up the NGO complex. These creatures are entirely dependent on "current things" for their income and status so it makes sense that, every so often, they have to remind the weary and cynical public just how essential they really are.

By the by, a lot of our problems resolve down to this parasite class and not elected governments as such. Mass immigration is another example.

John Carter's avatar

I should have been a bit more specific - indeed, my money would be on NGO/activist groups with state funding, operating at arm's length so as to preserve plausible deniability.

E. Morgan's avatar

I live in the central Midwest and we have billboards along the highway that have, for the past few days, said some mumbo-jumbo about "an ozone alert." Obvious climate doomer propaganda, and until I read this article, I didn't know about the fires in Canada. It wouldn't surprise me if there's a correlation there. Climate Cultism will replace Covid Cultism for 2024.

John Carter's avatar

1993: the ozone layer will disappear and kill us all!

2023: there's too much ozone it will kill us all!

Rikard's avatar

Correction: 1983, not 1993.

I distinctly remember being informed that the science was settled: if we didn't stop using hairspray and refrigerators, the Earth would be a burned-out waste-land before 2000AD.

There was comics on that theme, plays, and daily mentions in the state news programmes (Sweden had only state TV back then; private broadcasting was illegal and could land you in prison for ten years.)

John Carter's avatar

We got the same thing here. The media was suffused with it.

E. Morgan's avatar

I mean, basically. 🤡

E. Morgan's avatar

Also, like, the world is gonna end in 12 years like for real this time bro, you gotta believe me, bro.

John Carter's avatar

Source: just trust me.

Rikard's avatar

Yup.

We were taught in school that before 1990 the Amazon would be gone and we would have to migrate to Africa because of the impending Ice Age.

Oh, and Chernobyl would be a radioactive ash desert, a Forbidden Zone, for hundreds of thousands of years.

All the experts said so, and they had fancy titles and whatnots.

John Carter's avatar

Meanwhile Chernobyl is now a wildlife preserve.

roloiscia's avatar

peasant livestock exist to be deceived, by themselves and their maysahs

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Jonathon's avatar

Don't ozone holes form because there is no sun at the poles in the winter to split the O2? Also, the demonization of CFCs coincided with the expiration of their patents, if I remember rightly.

Jon Cutchins's avatar

They are cyclical. Something to do with the circumpolar vortex. I forget the details but natural and cyclical.

Phillip's avatar

As a hypothesis I'd say that it sounds plausible. The wider society is highly combustible given the mixture of anomie, ideology, spite and opportunism. Throw in social media and mass media and it all becomes unstable very fast. There is also a vast amount of money to made from disasters...especially by NGOs and the disaster-capitalism complex.

Trust your instincts, John. I hope that you don't mind me giving you advice, but here I'll go. Prepare to flee. Nothing you own is worth a day in a burns ward. Nothing.

Bushfires are terrible. I live very close to a poorly managed native forest in a city where several suburbs were literally reduced to ashes in a near apocalyptic bush-fire 20 years ago (seems like yesterday!!!).

If you are safe, chill. The best thing about bushfires is the sight of an orange-red moon at night. In a sense it transforms into Barsoom. A sign, perhaps?

John Carter's avatar

I'm not terribly worried for my immediate safety. The closest fire is over 100 km away, last I heard. Still though, the smoke is nuts. Never seen anything like this. The other side of the lake is completely obscured.

The sunrise yesterday was quite glorious, though yesterday evening and this morning it couldn't be seen at all. Suspect it will be the same tonight. Likewise the Moon, though full, was not visible.

That's a crazy story about the bushfire. It's not something we usually have to worry about here. The cold is generally more of a problem ... I'll never forget the ice storm back in the 90s, no power for a week in January. Fun times.

Phillip's avatar

Australia's forests have been shaped by fire...quite a few species of plant need fire for their seeds to become viable. The best thing about bushfires is the aftermath...when rains arrive the green shoots emerge from charred trees that resemble pillars of charcoal.

The indigenous people used to manage their lands by lighting fires...had mixed results: increased savannah where hunting is easier, but altered the ecosystem greatly and helped dry out much of it to a far greater extent than variations in climate would have done. Greenies never admit it but there are actually greater numbers of some rare rainforest species in remote corners of southern NSW than in pre-colonial times precisely because the indigenes there were killed off. It is a super sensitive issue because it defies the narrative of natives living in harmony with the land.

Re Canada, the cold would be a challenge. Must have made you appreciate how tough everyone was before central heating. You can bet that the poor in the old days would really have appreciated spring and summer. Amazing that people are becoming so complacent about affordable energy.

John Carter's avatar

Houses were a lot smaller before central heating, well-insulated, and always had a big fireplace, hearth, or pot-bellied stove. In winter you'd just sit near the fire. It gets so hot you start sweating a bit.

I'd heard that about abos using fire to destroy rain forest in order to make it easier to hunt. These myths about natives living in harmony are just so stories. They had no more compunction about changing the landscape than we do, arguably less ... It was just that their ability to do so was less.

Rikard's avatar

That's how we do it. In November we seal off the upper floor and heat the downstairs with the kitchen stove, a cast iron one from the 1930s, and the furnace in the bedroom.

We get through winter on about 8-10 cubic meters (stacked) of firewood, the house being from 1924 so it's built from selected lumber and well insulated using the old true methods.

Nearby village one family live in a loghouse built in the early 13th century. 50 cm thick logs is one heck of an insulator.

Phillip's avatar

Necessity is the mother of invention. People in the old days (13th c till yesterday) would not have survived had they left their safety to the 'experts'.

The Watchman's avatar

Environmental terrorists or just the powers that be accelerating the agenda by geoengineering. Here in the midwestern hell of Illinois we have gone several weeks without rain.

Drought Early Warning Update for the Midwest U.S. - https://www.drought.gov/drought-status-updates/drought-status-update-midwest-us-2023-05-25

Guess they are trying to keep the crops from growing in the farmlands of Illinois, Iowa and Missouri as they set Canada on fire. Starve and burn them out. Works every time!!!!

Don't get me wrong on Illinois, it would be a nice state if it wasn't for the idiot politicians that run it and Chicago.

Linking as usual @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/

John Carter's avatar

Given all of the attacks on the food supply over the last couple years, it wouldn't surprise me.

MKnight's avatar

I didn’t know Canada was on fire until we started getting air quality alerts a few weeks ago, which we never do until the heat really hits in late June or July. And I’m in more of the desert in the southwest US. We’ve been unseasonably cool and our fire season hasn’t even remotely started. My money’s on unnatural causation.

norstadt's avatar

Maybe calculating burned area from satellite data (first graph) is also subject to manipulation. Smoke occludes the images, so there must be substantial modeling.

Edit: These calculations are not foolproof, as the 2021 fire total shows. In the 2nd half of the Aug-Sep period, the area actually drops by a small amount, which shouldn't be possible. It's possible that the 2023 area is also eventually adjusted downwards, but by a larger amount. Beware of "Bayesian updating" AKA "Bayesian rug-pulling". https://doi.org/10.1016/j.rse.2019.111295

John Carter's avatar

This is a very important and perennial caution. Although I never would have looked these numbers up at all if I hadn't woken up on the set of The Road. That alone, the direct evidence of my senses, tells me this is a lot more forest fire than we usually get.

norstadt's avatar

Wind directions shift, too and fires tend to be highly random. Some years we just have bad luck.

Digging into the data a bit more, I suspect the the graph's 2023 data represents the area enclosed by perimeters as determined by forestry officials. Earlier years come from satellite images taken after the smoke clears. Because the actual burned area (red pixels in Fig. 10 of the above linked paper) adds up to only a fraction of the enclosed area, I would expect a substantial downward revision in the future.

Perimeters are mapped at the below link with total areas listed. It's rarely a good idea to splice data sets that are based on different methodology (area inside perimeter vs. satellite imagery). https://wildfiresituation.nrs.gov.bc.ca/map

Jonathon's avatar

Read somewhere that after wildfires in Yakutia, mining companies moved in. Be interesting to see if there are minerals or other desirable resources in the areas that are burning now.

Michi Birk's avatar

Oh yes... good point!

Multi-purpose agenda of nefariousness

Fat Rabbit Iron's avatar

If this is an op, it's a stupid op. People don't even remember Nord Stream. If they're banking on people connecting the dots, they're going to be disappointed.

John Carter's avatar

Connecting the dots, what? Nah man they just yell 'climate crisis!' and expect the Pavlovian response to kick in.

Mark's avatar

Has anybody noticed (in Hamilton since last fall) all the usual vapour trails have largely stopped? Also, all of last year was the worst year for that blinding white hot sun (normal sun this spring so far). I mean just looking anywhere near the sun was akin to leaving the optometrist after getting those drops to diate ones pupils.

Argo's avatar

Oh, is it the climate catastrophe now?

When I was in high school about a decade ago, it was global warming.

Later on it started morphing into climate change.

I found out that in the '70s it was global cooling.

Considering all those name changes, I think they're just fooling.

In my opinion, at this point, the belief that people are causing the weather to change and irreversibly fucking up the world is more a religious dogma than a reasoned belief - a "good fight" that needs to be fought both because it is good, and that humans need a fight.

https://argomend.substack.com/publish/posts/detail/124730591?referrer=%2Fpublish%2Fhome

Rikard's avatar

You won't need hundreds or a hundred. A dozen at the most. You don't even need fancy stuff like timed devices.

I'm not going to describe how to rig a fire to smolder discreetly for hours, days or even weeks, no need to spread that knowledge, but 6-12 people, two in each car, looking like hikers would be enough.

Consider this: there is a 1:1 overlap between Antifa and Extinction Rebellion. Antifa trains operatives in urban combat, the making of pipe-bombs, how to stalk and assault political opponents when they arevulnerable and how to conduct information warfare to get people virtually unpersoned and disowned even by family.

This I know due to a youth spent among such persons/groups. For every twenty hangers-on and sloganeers, you have 1 true believer willing to go the distance no matter what. Back then, the establishment hadn't co-opted the groups, something they set about to with a vengeance during the various summits around the millennium (the Gothenburg riots in 2001 was a watershed-moment here). By 2005, all "autonomous" groups be they big or small, global or local, from Greenpeace, Amnesty and the Red Cross to "save the city park" were fully infiltrated.

By now, any group starting to get pull or positive press is either co-opted, smeared if that doesn't work, or is astroturf from the get-go.

Trust me when I say that convincing a dozen college graduates in their mid-twenties that setting wildfires to save the planet is a cakewalk.

Hel, Putin used to train german intellectuals in how to become urban guerillas and terrorists during his stint as KGB-liaison to West German terrorist groups, and there's no such thing as an ex-KGB (something to consider for anyone watching the clip with Yuri Bezmenov, by the way), nor has Russia ever stopped trying to cause chaos.

(Not saying it's Russia, just pointing out that their grand strategy against enemies they cannot reach is always "cause chaos and destruction", it's always been too.)

You don't even need cars, bikes will do.

Bikes, no GPS, no trackable phones, no nothing and police and secret services are nowadays so addicted to techno-fetishism they have forgotten the basics.

Let me guess that Canada is experiencing never before heard of levels of vandalism/theft/arson against power facilities and water ditto too?

Just like every single western nation. If you check which nations are being targetted with the nations that in some way participated in WW2, you'll notice that it - the wokeness, the multikulti-agenda, the climate hysteria, et cetera only happens in those nations.

Almost as if someone with a grudge had an agenda. Dangerous line of thinking, no?

Suzanne O'Keeffe's avatar

yeah, I used to know these lost kids, and of course the cabal uses them, and launches and funds the orgs they're recruited to (see great interview below), but I'd say the precision and swath of ground is more likely cabal controlled drones / DEW.

https://rumble.com/v2srh4u-mel-k-and-matt-ehret-climate-cult-or-trained-eco-terrorist-operatives-of-de.html

Fabius Minarchus's avatar

All the cool air decided to go to the US southeast. This past May has been the coolest in the last dozen years here on the coastal plains.

daiva's avatar

Tracing all the cool kids? 😏

John Carter's avatar

That was terrible. You should be ashamed.

daiva's avatar

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John Carter's avatar

That's wild. Been pretty warm here until a couple days ago.

Evil Harry's avatar

EnvironMENTAL terrorists.

Same as those in Brazil, Aus and California.

Hang them by their testicles, or piercings over a furnace until they confess.