You can easily get millions to self-deport by simply cutting off all the freebies and benefits. ALL of them. No, your kids can't go to school and get the free lunch. No, we're not going to provide you healthcare even if you roll up to the emergency room with a knife in your back. You want to send remittances? Sure, 99% tax rate on that. No, you can't work here, and if you do, we'll arrest you, confiscate all your money and property, and throw your employer into prison for 50 years for good measure. You over stayed your visa? Sorry, that's a year in prison, hard time, and then we kick you out. Your family goes to prison too (like the debtors prisons of old). No, you can't get any welfare, rent subsidies, free phones, child care, etc etc etc.
You know what all this costs? Basically nothing. Like most problems, the solution to this is exceptionally easy if you have the will to carry it out. And it's not "cruel" because nobody is going to stick around to suffer from it. Just like if you shot anyone crossing the border, yeah, you'd shoot three or four people, and then the rest would get the message.
There's almost no problem easier to solve than immigration.
All excellent ideas. There are many bloodless ways to accomplish this.
Which it is important to contemplate from a perspective of national defense. How does a nation retain its demographic integrity in an era of rapid human flows? This is not a short term question. Policies enabling the long-term persistence of a nation must be carefully considered.
Like you said, the policy barriers are the first line of defense against demographic chaos. The snarky elitists no this, dismantle because they feel they can ride the tiger.
The plane has changed everything. We need to rethink political rights and movement visas. Tighten the former drastically, loosen the latter. Well. Once we get the housing thing sorted.
This is consistent with another comment I wrote. No need to forcibly remove people, especially productive (naturalized) citizens who are willing and able to contribute to their adopted home. By cutting off subsidies and work visas you incentivize everybody else to return to their native home.
There is another angle, that of a just society. Westerners are supposed to model dispassionate justice, it's one of the things that makes us great. We should continue to do so to preserve who we are. Promises made should be kept. Naturalized citizenship is an implicit promise of acceptance and permanent residence for yourself and your children.
However, I see no implicit long-term promise in a work visa or subsidy, beyond the time period specified in the contract. Even these could be tapered in a "compassionate" manner, basically something like "you get a 2-year extension on your visa but after that you're done." This would give non-citizen residents adequate time to prepare their return home.
Regarding citizenship: I would, however, argue that the obligation works both ways. Naturalized citizens should have an implicit obligation to integrate. That means no special language or cultural accommodations. If you say you're an American/Canadian, then act like one. My family did it several generations ago, so can the present wave of immigrants.
I'm probably beating a dead horse here in this follow-up comment, but I think it's really important to separate emotion -- the justified anger at what amounts to a slow-motion invasion -- from a rational, civilized response to the problem, one that preserves our moral identity.
One also has to raise the point that the inevitable consequences of not sending them home will be much more cruel. The violence, degeneracy, loss of trust, and general decay in a multiculti society will - matter of fact, already do - create images much more cruel than a bunch of third worlders boarding a plane, or cramp into an overcrowded ship
The other argument I hear is what if other countries refuse to take back their people? The answer is simple. Turkey and a few other countries who have had enough and simply rounded up all immigrants and sent them back. In Canada's case, it's mostly Indians. What are they going to do? Wage war? We fly them back, their own country can figure out what to do with them. This includes criminals. Send them back too.
Why can't we do both? Cut off the benefits AND deport them? Personally I'm not a fan if half measures and I'm definitely not a fan of passive aggressive methods to get people to leave. If the party's over and people need to go home, I'll ask them to go home. I'm not going to just put up the booze amd hope they get the point.
Also, the unfortunate truth is that there are millions of people in the immigration benefits industry, and they have no desire to see it end.
The laws are already on the books for those helping illegal aliens in the US. It's 10 years per illegal alien with multipliers if the illegal commits a crime. This applies to landlords, banks, employers; essentially anyone who assists an illegal in remaining here. You wouldn't have to deport one person. Perp walk everyone in the mortgage chain for selling a house to illegals. Make an example of a employers in every state (Federal juries are drawn from the whole court district). Arrest every politician that voted for/signed sanctuary laws. Very much the process will be the punishment in these cases. Once you do that, you start grabbing everyone who came here under "asylum" and then send them fucking back. Airlines will have a boom year(s) with charter flights.
soros funded DAs will not prosecute these cases until they meet with some very public push-back. all this shit has to be gray man dark of night dont get caught or you are fucked kind of operations.
Aye but thankfully, at least in this case, Federal DAs serve at the leisure of the President. I'm sure a lot of those Soros DAs could be prosecuted under this as well. A lot of those Soros DAs have also been kicked out of office. Mosby and the crazy bitch in St. Louis come to mind. The St. Louis DA is literally missing.
For the United States, I'd replace the bottom low tax rates and standard deduction with a citizen dividend. Visitors get to pay the same income tax rates as family doctors.
(Actually, I'd lower the income and FICA bottom tax rates and tax the masses with tariffs and excises. The income tax was originally meant to be a surcharge on the truly rich. I'd go back towards that. The citizen's dividend would be a prebate for most, and a bit of bouncy safety net for those CITIZENS experiencing hard times.)
I suspect there could be something similar in Canada.
But there is a trick needed to avoid treating the middle class as rich. Progressive rates on annual income presume near constant income. For those with feast an famine incomes, the income tax treats as rich when they are not.
And for a middle class person selling a home or business, it looks like being rich for a year. This is why capital gains taxes keep getting cut. I'll reveal a solution when I go back and public Rule 10: Tax Thine Enemies. Stay tuned.
I agree that halting illegal migration would be relatively simple if the will to implement it were actually present, but I think that's a separate question from how you would implement mass deportations (especially of people already gainfully employed and paying their own rent and school fees.) Speaking personally I want closed borders, non-dysgenic pro-natalism and maybe some legal perks and protections for the nation's core ethnicity, but I'm not in an immediate rush to deport doctors and repair technicians.
But my fee fees are hurt! Not to mention Bankers and their Kindred (your Masters) will NEVER allow it...face it , you have NO CONTROL, its their (the cabal, usual suspects) country to wreck and ruin and WE LET IT HAPPEN because our politicos are on the take and probably blackmailed too. Not to mention the MIC complex the Health Mafia etc.... corruption everywhere... Can't get anywhere if you don't kow tow... Voltaire knew.
Not correct. One migrant per minute in Britain = 525,600. There are 27 million houses. You would need to expand the housing stock by 2% annually. Netherlands and (West) Germany have done 50% better than for many years. It is entirely possible, given deregulation and the removal of political barriers. Alas, that isn't likely to happen.
Building housing is stupid since the problem can be far more easily solved otherwise. Europe is crowded. They don't need low IQ, dyspeptic, trouble making nitwits from the third world. And what about the environmental impacts, which are enormous? But as I said, bugmen only want to build more hives.
If I hadn't lived through COVID I don't think you'd be able to convince me that average people could be convinced to turn against immigrants in large numbers. But substituting "unvaccinated" with "immigrant" paints some vivid pictures.
Illegal immigrants are a big part of the problem, but it's multi-faceted. Unlimited monetary printing is a big part of the problem too (at least in the U.S.) as people would rather hold real assets than fiat, which drives up prices, and another issue is the close to zero interest rates for multiple years which have locked in existing owners into their homes (i.e. people can't sell with a 2-3% 30 year fixed mortgage and replace it elsewhere with a 6-7% mortgage). The market is frozen. Construction costs have also gone through the roof due to inflation caused by this monetary printing. And it doesn't help that multi-national corporations are buying up huge amounts of single family homes to then rent out.
Absolutely true. The end goal of this is total dispossession by the bankers. Immigration is just a tool they're using to push that along, lubricating their fake economy until it arrives at its destination.
We can measure inflation. It is not so bad. The larger problem have been foolishly low capital gains taxes. Double those, and housing will become more affordable AND the budget will be balanced.
You see this whole situation is rather interesting to me because while I am ethnically “western” that is have only European ancestry and thus cannot claim the title of Latino(or Latinx how my American friends have decided to call me in order to annoy me more than they would had they used a number of slurs, they could just call me meatballs due to my Italian ancestry tbh) I do still live in South America while being fluent in English and other Western(and eastern) languages and so I’ve had a quite rare outsider’s perspective when it comes to watching other nations crisis and it always struck me as extremely shortsighted at best to invite in migrants from completely different cultures, countries and linguistic/ethnic groups into the same territory for something as shallow a “economic development”, watching the civilization I am arguably a part off if not associated to commit cultural suicide has been a most puzzling sight to me and the solution you just described is the conclusion I’ve reached from the very start of this very crisis when a younger late HS me saw the start of the BIG migrant waves into Europe and then got to see them first hand as I visited one of my family’s ancestral homelands in Italy and got to see how Europe had changed and “the vibe” shifted from when I had visited the continent as a child…
All in all yes the solution described is quite frankly the only possible way this ends short of Canada and other western states being conquered and destroyed by those invading peoples.
Well said. That is indeed a fascinating perspective you have. I've had many of the same thoughts as this has all unfolded over the last decades, particularly since the migrant wave in Europe.
Something similar just happened in New York, where some old-school New Yorkers in Queens chased and hog-tied an illegal who raped a young girl and handed him over to the cops. Now, ideally they would have taken things a bit further but I would not have expected this at the height of, say the Di Blasio years. I think even in Blue cities some people are reaching the breaking point.
If that Marine who killed that mugger on the subway is acquitted then...hoo boy, will Bernie Goetz have a huge smile on his face.
Those younger than me - I'm approaching fifty - are very soon going to see they have nothing left to lose and things might get...kinetic. To paraphrase Joe Pesci's character in Casino, there's a lot of holes in the Canadian wilderness, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes.
I think in some ways it already is. We have a simulacrum of laws and a legal system but little to no enforcement or accountability. Repeat rapists and vicious thugs are re-released to prey on others, constantly, especially so if they check the right intersectional boxes. White-collar crime enforcement is feeble at best, to the point that Canada is now a world leader in money laundering. The Trudeau government pretty much has *weekly* scandals - from SNC Lavalin onwards - that, at least in the 1980s or 1990s, would have caused governments to resign in disgrace but this government is completely, utterly shameless. The man declared martial law and seized bank accounts over a hyped-up flu and bouncy castles. And so what is "governance" in this context other than a theory that should be applied to a body politic far more healthier than ours.
I actually hope Canada becomes "ungovernable", if by that we mean that the corrupt, debased oligarchy that rules this country is toppled once and for all. If things keep going like this, and enough young people - especially men - collectively say "fuck it", then hold onto your hats.
There's always the solution Tom Kratman put forth in his book "Caliphate".
Or if you follow Clif High there will be a lot of self organized collectives solving problems (like Ireland but organized).
Reminds me of something Ol' Remus (RIP) said, “Middle class America is no less violent than any other people. They seem passive because they’re results oriented. They rise not out of blood frenzy but to solve the otherwise insoluble. Their methods of choice are good will, cooperation, forbearance, negotiation and finally, appeasement, roughly in that order. Only when these fail to end the abuse do they revert to blowback. And they do so irretrievably. Once the course is set and the outcome defined, doubt is put aside. The middle class is known, condemned actually, for carrying out violence with the efficiency of an industrial project where bloody destruction at any scale is not only in play, it’s a metric. Remorse is left for the next generation, they’ll have the leisure for it. We’d like to believe this is merely dark speculation. History says it isn’t.” – The Late Ol’ Remus
Or we can pray for Divine Intervention to put things aright.
Caliphate was an extremely grim scenario, but very, very far from a worst-case scenario. If I recall, it was Prince Harry he put in the role of expelling the Moor from England? Doubt we'll see that coming, considering how he turned out.
YES, make Canada, CANADA AGAIN! Send everyone not born here since 2000 back home.
1. Start by denying anyone w/o a cdn birth certicate/born in canada ANY FREE HEALTHCARE OR WELFARE
2. give them a free plane ride home so theres no excuse
3. END ALL FOREIGN WORKER PROGRAMS
4..END ALL FOREGIN STUDENT VISA PROGRAMS
Dont allow another foreigner to move here UNTIL canada has full employment[ i mean full employment, not a million plus on pogey or millions on welfare], Everyone who wants a house has an affordable one, and our fertility rate is 2.2 plus, then and only then allow only STEM degreed christians europeans ethnicity
Truthfully we should just end immigration, period. Not until some particular metric is reached. Why do I say that? First of all, recent history has shown that whatever problem we are attempting to solve with immigration pales in comparison to the problems caused by immigration. Secondly, we know how malevolent and duplicitous our leaders are - they'll simply lie and claim the metric has been reached so they can resume business as usual. We don't need immigration, because we don't need more people.
Canada is on track to add roughly 1.6 million new residents in 2024 according to research by the National Bank of Canada. In 2024 over 400,000 new residents were added from January to April.
So by my calculations Canada could end up with almost 4 million new residents from 2022 to 2025. About 37.5 million people residing in Canada in 2019. Over 10% increase in population.
Most Canadians, like me, are not thinking this was by accident.
Agreed but increasingly hard to do as they have infiltrated businesses large and small, from the local convenience store through to Canadian Tire and Walmart to banks (my branch in a posh area has zero whites working there, and the marketing materials make you think Canada has the demographics of Barbados).
I sympathise, but considering how fast Bud Lite imploded, I don’t think the Great Pajeet Boycott will have to be conducted for very long for it to be effective.
Australia is Canada Lite, from clot shot mandates to unfettered immigration.
I've been waiting years for the deflation and I gave up at the end of January this year when I bought land over an hour's drive from Sydney (which is 1.6mil median price or something outrageous (may WfH never end while this affordability nightmare continues...). I only just got the compliance certifications, so maybe by July some concrete might be poured - after 5months plus of red tape bullshit. So another 4-5 months for a 4bdr single storey house to be built, for a total of 9months+ (costing me over $800K), and I needed minimal finance. I had to sell my old place because 10 poojeets were living next door in a 3bdr home and shouting into their phones in the driveway at all hours outside my bedroom, so I thought being out of Sydney I'd be safe from the subcontinental scum, but nope, I have two neighbours on my corner block and at least 1 is confirmed poojeet, and they are supposed to be rare up there. Well, used to be. They are like a cancer. I want Romanian-style regime change. And then mass deportations. I will happily volounteer my time to assist. As an aside, it amazes me how many parents value their paper wealth over the future of their kids ability to buy a home. Boomers rightfully cop a lot of shit, but I don't see my Generation X or the younger millennials being much less greedy in that respect. Wild.)
“elites decided to financialize the economy. No longer would Western countries grow real food, harvest real resources, and manufacture real products. All of that would be outsourced, and we’d get rich by trading ownership tokens back and forth at hyperspeed while reassuring one another about how much they were totally worth.”
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The managerial investor class like Warren buffet are heralded for their contribution moving numbers around
The consequences of financialization is that nearly every public company is vying to be a "growth stock". The only way to get this growth is to "make" more consumers. The fastest way is to import them. In the US I suspect that nearly all the "growth" in GDP over the past two years has been government spending on the importing of consumers via NGO's moving them through Darien Gap and over the southern US border and flying them all over the US.
Keeping the debt bubble inflating is definitely part of the function.
In the UK they managed to grow their GDP by a whopping 0.1% last year, and all they had to do was import 1% of their population. Note that it wasn't the per capita GDP that grew…
The financialization started in the 1930's. It was complete in the 1980's. This is not a new thing, at least not in the US. It may be in Canada, but the US has a long history of this, and it is GOOD for the majority.
On point. But. It won't get better with only that.
So here's some experience of the housing market from eastern Europe. The country's population has been falling for 35 years at this point. The capital is somewhat holding on but with suburbanization it is too losing people, although much slower.
Now, imagine, that on paper, you earn more than the 80% of the country. At that point I've been living at a pretty good part of the city(the capital)...not really elite, much rather call it an upper middle class(not like this has any substantial meaning anymore) neighbourhood.
In the one and half year I've been living there, the price hike was such that, if I could save all my earned money, I would have needed more by the end of the period. One would think, that someone that "capable" would be able to afford a 2 room apartement.
Well now, but they surely been building more. Right? Like there's clearly a demand.
So one time we were drinking in one of the parks on the riverside. There were they have been building hundreds, if not thousands of units so far around there. As I saw no lights from the buildings as the sun set, I had to ask..."When will it be finished?"...It is finished, everything is sold and the owners could move in...except the price was such, that the only ones who could afford it, already had their homes, so they use it as "investments". And they don't want anyone moving in their "investments" because they could fuck it up. If someone entered the market in the last 10 years, there's really no way to win.
Generally I'm against any regularization, but real estate must be really taken out of the clutches of the financier caste. And any of these highly educated fucks can shut up about being "humanist" and other shit, while they're clearly profiteering on the people's struggle for a dignified, free living.
Yes, this is also a factor. A decade of cheap money fueling an everything bubble. That was a big part of what led to the hypermigration of the last two decades. Was thinking about this after I posted.
That however, is something that cannot go on forever, either.
Actually it's over two decades of cheap money. In the US, the Fed has kept rates artificially low since 9/11/2001, which did two things, first, it allowed the government to expand on cheap borrowing (politicos never make any hard choices, the just kick the can down the road), second, it allowed those with capital to leverage assets with debt at low rates (commercial loans are 70-75% LTV and rates were historically low). Capital has flocked to real estate because it is tangible, and can be easily leveraged in most instances. For 20+ years there have been too many investors flocking to real estate as a safe haven, including wealthy foreign interests. It has been a 20+ year cycle of 5 year leveraged investing of borrowed money to achieve a cash flow return, then selling it to buy the next deal, then rinse and repeat. Then the lockdown panic of 2020 spurred even more investors into Real Estate. A comparable home to the one I purchased in March 2020 recently sold for 36% more than I paid. That's nearly 1970's inflation.
One to get the investor class out of residential property investing other than multifamily apartments is higher interest rates. Interest rates have an inverse relationship to asset prices and without more appreciation it will be hard to continue trade into new, profitable deals. When the 5 year loans of 4%-5% on commercial assets come due (and many are interest only loans with balloon payments), the new rates will be 7%-8%, potentially leading to defaults. The next few years will be interesting, and likely not in pleasant way. We are already seeing CMBS lenders give the keys to large metropolitan hotel and office assets back to lenders (see NYC and SFO).
Are you leaving? We are living better now. We need more housing because governments have made housing construction too expensive. Furthermore, too many people want to live in a handful of cities. Cheap money is good. Everyone benefits from low real interest rates. Inflation is bad, not cheap capital. Only morons expecting the anomoly of post-WW2 bank yields on consumer products would complain.
The world is getting better and our problems are solvable. If you want to see expensive capital, visit Africa.
Cheap money i.e. low interest rates literally drives inflation, to the degree that they're practically synonymous.
Your comment also presupposes some sort of moral equivalence between those descended from ancestors who settled the land, and those who stepped off a plane the day before.
You can easily get millions to self-deport by simply cutting off all the freebies and benefits. ALL of them. No, your kids can't go to school and get the free lunch. No, we're not going to provide you healthcare even if you roll up to the emergency room with a knife in your back. You want to send remittances? Sure, 99% tax rate on that. No, you can't work here, and if you do, we'll arrest you, confiscate all your money and property, and throw your employer into prison for 50 years for good measure. You over stayed your visa? Sorry, that's a year in prison, hard time, and then we kick you out. Your family goes to prison too (like the debtors prisons of old). No, you can't get any welfare, rent subsidies, free phones, child care, etc etc etc.
You know what all this costs? Basically nothing. Like most problems, the solution to this is exceptionally easy if you have the will to carry it out. And it's not "cruel" because nobody is going to stick around to suffer from it. Just like if you shot anyone crossing the border, yeah, you'd shoot three or four people, and then the rest would get the message.
There's almost no problem easier to solve than immigration.
All excellent ideas. There are many bloodless ways to accomplish this.
Which it is important to contemplate from a perspective of national defense. How does a nation retain its demographic integrity in an era of rapid human flows? This is not a short term question. Policies enabling the long-term persistence of a nation must be carefully considered.
Culture, borders, language.
Natural cultural barriers are good, but policy barriers are also essential. See Japan.
Like you said, the policy barriers are the first line of defense against demographic chaos. The snarky elitists no this, dismantle because they feel they can ride the tiger.
I suspect they're going to find that the only part of the tiger they have hold of is its tail.
Well, there’s the plan to ride the tiger, and then there’s the actual ride itself. Far different.
Or as Mike Tyson said everyone has a plan until you get punched in the face.
The plane has changed everything. We need to rethink political rights and movement visas. Tighten the former drastically, loosen the latter. Well. Once we get the housing thing sorted.
This is consistent with another comment I wrote. No need to forcibly remove people, especially productive (naturalized) citizens who are willing and able to contribute to their adopted home. By cutting off subsidies and work visas you incentivize everybody else to return to their native home.
Correct.
There are a plethora of ways to do it in a civilized fashion.
Glad you agree.
There is another angle, that of a just society. Westerners are supposed to model dispassionate justice, it's one of the things that makes us great. We should continue to do so to preserve who we are. Promises made should be kept. Naturalized citizenship is an implicit promise of acceptance and permanent residence for yourself and your children.
However, I see no implicit long-term promise in a work visa or subsidy, beyond the time period specified in the contract. Even these could be tapered in a "compassionate" manner, basically something like "you get a 2-year extension on your visa but after that you're done." This would give non-citizen residents adequate time to prepare their return home.
Regarding citizenship: I would, however, argue that the obligation works both ways. Naturalized citizens should have an implicit obligation to integrate. That means no special language or cultural accommodations. If you say you're an American/Canadian, then act like one. My family did it several generations ago, so can the present wave of immigrants.
I'm probably beating a dead horse here in this follow-up comment, but I think it's really important to separate emotion -- the justified anger at what amounts to a slow-motion invasion -- from a rational, civilized response to the problem, one that preserves our moral identity.
I agree with all of that, in fact.
I would say this:
There is the ideal, what you described. What we'd like to do. We say, here, this is what's behind door number 1 if everything goes smoothly.
There's also door number 2, which is … best left undiscussed in polite company.
But it should be understood that we're willing to open that door if it comes to it.
One also has to raise the point that the inevitable consequences of not sending them home will be much more cruel. The violence, degeneracy, loss of trust, and general decay in a multiculti society will - matter of fact, already do - create images much more cruel than a bunch of third worlders boarding a plane, or cramp into an overcrowded ship
agree, totally
The other argument I hear is what if other countries refuse to take back their people? The answer is simple. Turkey and a few other countries who have had enough and simply rounded up all immigrants and sent them back. In Canada's case, it's mostly Indians. What are they going to do? Wage war? We fly them back, their own country can figure out what to do with them. This includes criminals. Send them back too.
I've heard cases of countries refusing to take delivery and always thought the easiest response was parachutes.
Why can't we do both? Cut off the benefits AND deport them? Personally I'm not a fan if half measures and I'm definitely not a fan of passive aggressive methods to get people to leave. If the party's over and people need to go home, I'll ask them to go home. I'm not going to just put up the booze amd hope they get the point.
Also, the unfortunate truth is that there are millions of people in the immigration benefits industry, and they have no desire to see it end.
The laws are already on the books for those helping illegal aliens in the US. It's 10 years per illegal alien with multipliers if the illegal commits a crime. This applies to landlords, banks, employers; essentially anyone who assists an illegal in remaining here. You wouldn't have to deport one person. Perp walk everyone in the mortgage chain for selling a house to illegals. Make an example of a employers in every state (Federal juries are drawn from the whole court district). Arrest every politician that voted for/signed sanctuary laws. Very much the process will be the punishment in these cases. Once you do that, you start grabbing everyone who came here under "asylum" and then send them fucking back. Airlines will have a boom year(s) with charter flights.
soros funded DAs will not prosecute these cases until they meet with some very public push-back. all this shit has to be gray man dark of night dont get caught or you are fucked kind of operations.
Aye but thankfully, at least in this case, Federal DAs serve at the leisure of the President. I'm sure a lot of those Soros DAs could be prosecuted under this as well. A lot of those Soros DAs have also been kicked out of office. Mosby and the crazy bitch in St. Louis come to mind. The St. Louis DA is literally missing.
For the United States, I'd replace the bottom low tax rates and standard deduction with a citizen dividend. Visitors get to pay the same income tax rates as family doctors.
(Actually, I'd lower the income and FICA bottom tax rates and tax the masses with tariffs and excises. The income tax was originally meant to be a surcharge on the truly rich. I'd go back towards that. The citizen's dividend would be a prebate for most, and a bit of bouncy safety net for those CITIZENS experiencing hard times.)
I suspect there could be something similar in Canada.
You need to jack up capital gains as well. That is the only tax wealthy people pay.
Absolutely!
But there is a trick needed to avoid treating the middle class as rich. Progressive rates on annual income presume near constant income. For those with feast an famine incomes, the income tax treats as rich when they are not.
And for a middle class person selling a home or business, it looks like being rich for a year. This is why capital gains taxes keep getting cut. I'll reveal a solution when I go back and public Rule 10: Tax Thine Enemies. Stay tuned.
I agree that halting illegal migration would be relatively simple if the will to implement it were actually present, but I think that's a separate question from how you would implement mass deportations (especially of people already gainfully employed and paying their own rent and school fees.) Speaking personally I want closed borders, non-dysgenic pro-natalism and maybe some legal perks and protections for the nation's core ethnicity, but I'm not in an immediate rush to deport doctors and repair technicians.
But my fee fees are hurt! Not to mention Bankers and their Kindred (your Masters) will NEVER allow it...face it , you have NO CONTROL, its their (the cabal, usual suspects) country to wreck and ruin and WE LET IT HAPPEN because our politicos are on the take and probably blackmailed too. Not to mention the MIC complex the Health Mafia etc.... corruption everywhere... Can't get anywhere if you don't kow tow... Voltaire knew.
One migrant per minute in England. Higher numbers in Canada and America. No amount of home building can absorb them.
Not correct. One migrant per minute in Britain = 525,600. There are 27 million houses. You would need to expand the housing stock by 2% annually. Netherlands and (West) Germany have done 50% better than for many years. It is entirely possible, given deregulation and the removal of political barriers. Alas, that isn't likely to happen.
I think you meant to say "thank God that isn't likely to happen."
What Europe owes to the third world is precisely nothing. But bugmen think you can fix any problem just by building more hives.
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So you admit the problem isn't actually the inability to build housing, i.e., that the OP is total BS.
Building housing is stupid since the problem can be far more easily solved otherwise. Europe is crowded. They don't need low IQ, dyspeptic, trouble making nitwits from the third world. And what about the environmental impacts, which are enormous? But as I said, bugmen only want to build more hives.
> They don't need low IQ, dyspeptic, trouble making nitwits from the third world.
Agreed. So talk about that, not the red herring about housing.
there are schools for the mentally deficient. go there.
agree
If I hadn't lived through COVID I don't think you'd be able to convince me that average people could be convinced to turn against immigrants in large numbers. But substituting "unvaccinated" with "immigrant" paints some vivid pictures.
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Illegal immigrants are a big part of the problem, but it's multi-faceted. Unlimited monetary printing is a big part of the problem too (at least in the U.S.) as people would rather hold real assets than fiat, which drives up prices, and another issue is the close to zero interest rates for multiple years which have locked in existing owners into their homes (i.e. people can't sell with a 2-3% 30 year fixed mortgage and replace it elsewhere with a 6-7% mortgage). The market is frozen. Construction costs have also gone through the roof due to inflation caused by this monetary printing. And it doesn't help that multi-national corporations are buying up huge amounts of single family homes to then rent out.
Agenda 2030 own nothing "Be Happy" etc.
Absolutely true. The end goal of this is total dispossession by the bankers. Immigration is just a tool they're using to push that along, lubricating their fake economy until it arrives at its destination.
We can measure inflation. It is not so bad. The larger problem have been foolishly low capital gains taxes. Double those, and housing will become more affordable AND the budget will be balanced.
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You see this whole situation is rather interesting to me because while I am ethnically “western” that is have only European ancestry and thus cannot claim the title of Latino(or Latinx how my American friends have decided to call me in order to annoy me more than they would had they used a number of slurs, they could just call me meatballs due to my Italian ancestry tbh) I do still live in South America while being fluent in English and other Western(and eastern) languages and so I’ve had a quite rare outsider’s perspective when it comes to watching other nations crisis and it always struck me as extremely shortsighted at best to invite in migrants from completely different cultures, countries and linguistic/ethnic groups into the same territory for something as shallow a “economic development”, watching the civilization I am arguably a part off if not associated to commit cultural suicide has been a most puzzling sight to me and the solution you just described is the conclusion I’ve reached from the very start of this very crisis when a younger late HS me saw the start of the BIG migrant waves into Europe and then got to see them first hand as I visited one of my family’s ancestral homelands in Italy and got to see how Europe had changed and “the vibe” shifted from when I had visited the continent as a child…
All in all yes the solution described is quite frankly the only possible way this ends short of Canada and other western states being conquered and destroyed by those invading peoples.
Well said. That is indeed a fascinating perspective you have. I've had many of the same thoughts as this has all unfolded over the last decades, particularly since the migrant wave in Europe.
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Bloody hell but that story of revenge from Sweden gives me hope. Hail Odin! Let's hope Kai Murros is right: https://argentbeacon.com/films/various/seven-nation-army/
It's quite the tale, isn't it?
Something similar just happened in New York, where some old-school New Yorkers in Queens chased and hog-tied an illegal who raped a young girl and handed him over to the cops. Now, ideally they would have taken things a bit further but I would not have expected this at the height of, say the Di Blasio years. I think even in Blue cities some people are reaching the breaking point.
If that Marine who killed that mugger on the subway is acquitted then...hoo boy, will Bernie Goetz have a huge smile on his face.
Gives me hope too!
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Those younger than me - I'm approaching fifty - are very soon going to see they have nothing left to lose and things might get...kinetic. To paraphrase Joe Pesci's character in Casino, there's a lot of holes in the Canadian wilderness, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes.
Canada could become ungovernable so fast it would make the world dizzy.
I think in some ways it already is. We have a simulacrum of laws and a legal system but little to no enforcement or accountability. Repeat rapists and vicious thugs are re-released to prey on others, constantly, especially so if they check the right intersectional boxes. White-collar crime enforcement is feeble at best, to the point that Canada is now a world leader in money laundering. The Trudeau government pretty much has *weekly* scandals - from SNC Lavalin onwards - that, at least in the 1980s or 1990s, would have caused governments to resign in disgrace but this government is completely, utterly shameless. The man declared martial law and seized bank accounts over a hyped-up flu and bouncy castles. And so what is "governance" in this context other than a theory that should be applied to a body politic far more healthier than ours.
I actually hope Canada becomes "ungovernable", if by that we mean that the corrupt, debased oligarchy that rules this country is toppled once and for all. If things keep going like this, and enough young people - especially men - collectively say "fuck it", then hold onto your hats.
hoo-boy, agree. The 3 S theory. We use it here in SC.
Excellent catchphrase, one that should be pushed at young people 5x a day, ever day.
"Want to afford a home? Send them home!"
Nice rhetoric.
There's always the solution Tom Kratman put forth in his book "Caliphate".
Or if you follow Clif High there will be a lot of self organized collectives solving problems (like Ireland but organized).
Reminds me of something Ol' Remus (RIP) said, “Middle class America is no less violent than any other people. They seem passive because they’re results oriented. They rise not out of blood frenzy but to solve the otherwise insoluble. Their methods of choice are good will, cooperation, forbearance, negotiation and finally, appeasement, roughly in that order. Only when these fail to end the abuse do they revert to blowback. And they do so irretrievably. Once the course is set and the outcome defined, doubt is put aside. The middle class is known, condemned actually, for carrying out violence with the efficiency of an industrial project where bloody destruction at any scale is not only in play, it’s a metric. Remorse is left for the next generation, they’ll have the leisure for it. We’d like to believe this is merely dark speculation. History says it isn’t.” – The Late Ol’ Remus
Or we can pray for Divine Intervention to put things aright.
Caliphate was an extremely grim scenario, but very, very far from a worst-case scenario. If I recall, it was Prince Harry he put in the role of expelling the Moor from England? Doubt we'll see that coming, considering how he turned out.
Uncle clif has indeed been predicting this too.
That Remus quote was absolutely spot on.
Duchess Meghan would be against it anyway. So.
And Prince William is vaxxed which does not bode well for a long reign. IIRC Clif 's data indicates a short reign by both Charles and William.
It begins with your home and it ends with your homeland.
If we do not send them back we will have neither.
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YES, make Canada, CANADA AGAIN! Send everyone not born here since 2000 back home.
1. Start by denying anyone w/o a cdn birth certicate/born in canada ANY FREE HEALTHCARE OR WELFARE
2. give them a free plane ride home so theres no excuse
3. END ALL FOREIGN WORKER PROGRAMS
4..END ALL FOREGIN STUDENT VISA PROGRAMS
Dont allow another foreigner to move here UNTIL canada has full employment[ i mean full employment, not a million plus on pogey or millions on welfare], Everyone who wants a house has an affordable one, and our fertility rate is 2.2 plus, then and only then allow only STEM degreed christians europeans ethnicity
The US needs the same.
As does Sweden, Germany, UK, France, Italy BASICALLY the entire western white set of countries.
COULD be ALOT OF WORK for ex police, ex military as DEPORTATION FORCES in the G8 countries
IF the citizens actually get what we want
Truthfully we should just end immigration, period. Not until some particular metric is reached. Why do I say that? First of all, recent history has shown that whatever problem we are attempting to solve with immigration pales in comparison to the problems caused by immigration. Secondly, we know how malevolent and duplicitous our leaders are - they'll simply lie and claim the metric has been reached so they can resume business as usual. We don't need immigration, because we don't need more people.
Canada is on track to add roughly 1.6 million new residents in 2024 according to research by the National Bank of Canada. In 2024 over 400,000 new residents were added from January to April.
So by my calculations Canada could end up with almost 4 million new residents from 2022 to 2025. About 37.5 million people residing in Canada in 2019. Over 10% increase in population.
Most Canadians, like me, are not thinking this was by accident.
It is not accidental. It is an invasion.
The regime understands that it has lost the heart of the people, and is trying to stack the deck as quickly as they can.
Interesting point is that many of my friends from old school leftists to conservatives all think it is deliberate too.
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Don't hire them.
Don't shop at businesses that use them.
Don't let them use utilities.
It's pretty simple.
Agreed but increasingly hard to do as they have infiltrated businesses large and small, from the local convenience store through to Canadian Tire and Walmart to banks (my branch in a posh area has zero whites working there, and the marketing materials make you think Canada has the demographics of Barbados).
I sympathise, but considering how fast Bud Lite imploded, I don’t think the Great Pajeet Boycott will have to be conducted for very long for it to be effective.
Australia is Canada Lite, from clot shot mandates to unfettered immigration.
I've been waiting years for the deflation and I gave up at the end of January this year when I bought land over an hour's drive from Sydney (which is 1.6mil median price or something outrageous (may WfH never end while this affordability nightmare continues...). I only just got the compliance certifications, so maybe by July some concrete might be poured - after 5months plus of red tape bullshit. So another 4-5 months for a 4bdr single storey house to be built, for a total of 9months+ (costing me over $800K), and I needed minimal finance. I had to sell my old place because 10 poojeets were living next door in a 3bdr home and shouting into their phones in the driveway at all hours outside my bedroom, so I thought being out of Sydney I'd be safe from the subcontinental scum, but nope, I have two neighbours on my corner block and at least 1 is confirmed poojeet, and they are supposed to be rare up there. Well, used to be. They are like a cancer. I want Romanian-style regime change. And then mass deportations. I will happily volounteer my time to assist. As an aside, it amazes me how many parents value their paper wealth over the future of their kids ability to buy a home. Boomers rightfully cop a lot of shit, but I don't see my Generation X or the younger millennials being much less greedy in that respect. Wild.)
Jeet men speak on their phones more than teenage girls.I have to put up with it at work and it drives me up the wall.
What on earth do they talk about? I've noticed the same thing. They'll talk to mommy or auntie back home for hours at a time.
“elites decided to financialize the economy. No longer would Western countries grow real food, harvest real resources, and manufacture real products. All of that would be outsourced, and we’d get rich by trading ownership tokens back and forth at hyperspeed while reassuring one another about how much they were totally worth.”
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The managerial investor class like Warren buffet are heralded for their contribution moving numbers around
Almost everything they do is fake.
someone who works for Raytheon told me they destroyed 25 brand new mac book pros because someone sent the wrong person the wrong email
That's nuts.
The consequences of financialization is that nearly every public company is vying to be a "growth stock". The only way to get this growth is to "make" more consumers. The fastest way is to import them. In the US I suspect that nearly all the "growth" in GDP over the past two years has been government spending on the importing of consumers via NGO's moving them through Darien Gap and over the southern US border and flying them all over the US.
Keeping the debt bubble inflating is definitely part of the function.
In the UK they managed to grow their GDP by a whopping 0.1% last year, and all they had to do was import 1% of their population. Note that it wasn't the per capita GDP that grew…
The U.S. GDP was 2.5%. 2% of that was .gov growth. We don't make anything anymore.
The financialization started in the 1930's. It was complete in the 1980's. This is not a new thing, at least not in the US. It may be in Canada, but the US has a long history of this, and it is GOOD for the majority.
This is just a misunderstanding of economics and how it works.
On point. But. It won't get better with only that.
So here's some experience of the housing market from eastern Europe. The country's population has been falling for 35 years at this point. The capital is somewhat holding on but with suburbanization it is too losing people, although much slower.
Now, imagine, that on paper, you earn more than the 80% of the country. At that point I've been living at a pretty good part of the city(the capital)...not really elite, much rather call it an upper middle class(not like this has any substantial meaning anymore) neighbourhood.
In the one and half year I've been living there, the price hike was such that, if I could save all my earned money, I would have needed more by the end of the period. One would think, that someone that "capable" would be able to afford a 2 room apartement.
Well now, but they surely been building more. Right? Like there's clearly a demand.
So one time we were drinking in one of the parks on the riverside. There were they have been building hundreds, if not thousands of units so far around there. As I saw no lights from the buildings as the sun set, I had to ask..."When will it be finished?"...It is finished, everything is sold and the owners could move in...except the price was such, that the only ones who could afford it, already had their homes, so they use it as "investments". And they don't want anyone moving in their "investments" because they could fuck it up. If someone entered the market in the last 10 years, there's really no way to win.
Generally I'm against any regularization, but real estate must be really taken out of the clutches of the financier caste. And any of these highly educated fucks can shut up about being "humanist" and other shit, while they're clearly profiteering on the people's struggle for a dignified, free living.
Yes, this is also a factor. A decade of cheap money fueling an everything bubble. That was a big part of what led to the hypermigration of the last two decades. Was thinking about this after I posted.
That however, is something that cannot go on forever, either.
Actually it's over two decades of cheap money. In the US, the Fed has kept rates artificially low since 9/11/2001, which did two things, first, it allowed the government to expand on cheap borrowing (politicos never make any hard choices, the just kick the can down the road), second, it allowed those with capital to leverage assets with debt at low rates (commercial loans are 70-75% LTV and rates were historically low). Capital has flocked to real estate because it is tangible, and can be easily leveraged in most instances. For 20+ years there have been too many investors flocking to real estate as a safe haven, including wealthy foreign interests. It has been a 20+ year cycle of 5 year leveraged investing of borrowed money to achieve a cash flow return, then selling it to buy the next deal, then rinse and repeat. Then the lockdown panic of 2020 spurred even more investors into Real Estate. A comparable home to the one I purchased in March 2020 recently sold for 36% more than I paid. That's nearly 1970's inflation.
One to get the investor class out of residential property investing other than multifamily apartments is higher interest rates. Interest rates have an inverse relationship to asset prices and without more appreciation it will be hard to continue trade into new, profitable deals. When the 5 year loans of 4%-5% on commercial assets come due (and many are interest only loans with balloon payments), the new rates will be 7%-8%, potentially leading to defaults. The next few years will be interesting, and likely not in pleasant way. We are already seeing CMBS lenders give the keys to large metropolitan hotel and office assets back to lenders (see NYC and SFO).
You're absolutely correct - cheap money is a huge factor in this, and is indeed at the root of all of these problems. The hypermigration included.
The financial games played by the fake economy have broken everything.
Are you leaving? We are living better now. We need more housing because governments have made housing construction too expensive. Furthermore, too many people want to live in a handful of cities. Cheap money is good. Everyone benefits from low real interest rates. Inflation is bad, not cheap capital. Only morons expecting the anomoly of post-WW2 bank yields on consumer products would complain.
The world is getting better and our problems are solvable. If you want to see expensive capital, visit Africa.
Cheap money i.e. low interest rates literally drives inflation, to the degree that they're practically synonymous.
Your comment also presupposes some sort of moral equivalence between those descended from ancestors who settled the land, and those who stepped off a plane the day before.