I hate to say this, but in the IRL 4X game of interstellar empire, the most likely winner is...
Space Mormons.
Seriously. In the course of their short history, they've shown the con-artistry of gypsies, the usury of the money changers, the lawfare of the Pharisees, the harem-hoarding of the khans, the inbreeding of aristocrats, and a propensity for down and dirty, run and gun, renegade bloodshed of the Frontier West.
Plus, they're taught from a young age that God will give each of them an entire planet to rule in the afterlife. Therefore only a slight theological tweak will turn the whole space-colonization effort into an exercise in window-shopping.
Jaques Vallée had an interesting take on them. He considered that the events surrounding Joseph Smith's interactions with the angels were remarkably similar to the high strangeness associated with UFO encounters. Furthermore UFO cults appeared almost as soon as UFOs entered the mythos. These beings seem to like to start cults. So what if Mormonism is kind of legit?
Do you one better. L Ron was known to associate with Parsons and the rest of that occult circle. What if when he disappeared on a boat writing dianetics he was in telepathic contact with some kind of entity they all summoned at a ritualistic sex magick orgy, which was feeding him (some) good information? Like what if thetans are absolutely real, and there absolutely are benefits to being freed of them, which really are so profound that people are willing to pay absurd sums for the necessary knowledge and treatment? They just want you to think it's a con, a weird cult: in reality their secret knowledge could benefit everyone, but instead it is kept for a small and wealthy elite.
So that way, the aliens, demons, whatever you want to call them, have a) a group that's ready to go out there and start seeding some planets if necessary and b) a superhuman elite force that can ride herd on the rest of the species as it's guided towards whatever it is that the aliens have in mind.
The problem with assessing Scientology as a playable species for 4X is that it currently appears to be flying apart at the seams.
The emperor is long dead, his successors have been outed as a bunch of embarrassing homos and psychopaths, their once-mighty lawfare regime has collapsed, many of their operatives are facing a wave of criminal investigations and prosecutions, and their last queen fled into the arms of a black actor, then a latino chef, then a black musician, then, at last, the Catholic Church.
That's the trouble when you make deals with demons. They'll promise you the world -- and maybe even the galaxy -- if only you'll glorify their master by setting up a worldwide child-molestation ring, or some bullshit like that. Gotta read the fine print on those contracts.
I haven't been paying any attention at all to the Church of Scientology. That is all extremely funny.
This is also, I think, inevitable whenever a cult or spiritual movement solidifies into a corporate structure. The life gradually bleeds out of it; it becomes about business; belief and genuine feeling evaporate; even if it didn't start as a scam, the relentless growth of cynicism turns it into one.
The corporate structure also blurs and camouflages the original deal over time. This serves the purposes of the demon, who'd rather not have large masses of people believing it exists. The key power of the occult is in... well... the occlusion. It's the same with ordinary criminals. Even serial killers do what they do in shadows, and try to cover their tracks. "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled," etc. etc.
I think it very likely that Parsons, Hubbard and company were neck-deep in the demon summoning game, and that such a creature may have pushed over the first domino. By the time you get to the present, the whole thing looks like just another comical scam, if a particularly sinister one. As a result, Scientology becomes meme-fodder, and eventually the last domino falls. But, unfortunately, the damage has been done, and the demon has moved on to the next big racket.
Indeed. But what if there are good cults? Negative entities using cults to feed, but positive entities using cults to awaken.
Complicating matters further, what is to stop them from interpenetrating? Negative entities sending their agents into the cults of positive entities, to disrupt or divert them, to twist them into feeding troughs. But positive entities assisting their agents in the infiltration of negative cults, disrupting them in turn perhaps, but also redeeming the individuals corrupted by them, and perhaps in the greatest cases redeeming the cult itself.
Then in the case of the greatest religions, one might envision both of these tendencies wrapped around one another like a caduceus.
If what you mean is something "What if there are also angels who could help us," then I think the answer would be "Yes, of course." But I don't think they can be petitioned or summoned into service, in the same way their fallen siblings can (or, at least pretend to be servants for a little while).
I know this contradicts things I 've said before -- about the Low Mass, about the invocation to Michael -- but I've had experiences since then that made me think differently about it. Namely the GPT stuff. I didn't ask for any help, but in retrospect I think some higher creature chose to help me anyway, for reasons of its own. That makes sense to me. Who am i to call on angels? It would be more logical the other way around, when we consider the hierarchy.
There aren't. John, John, John, you're a smart guy but you really make some tragically basic assumptions and errors. I recognise them because I made very similar ones myself, but usually a very long time ago. Serioulsy, it would help you a lot to read some patristic writings, or at least The Four Witnesses, it's eminently readable, not boring at all and well put together.
In it, humanity is trapped in the material world, cut off from reality, by the will of the Demiurge. Only, it has gone missing and its Adveray too, having gone to look for the Demiurge as they define each other.
Meaning the prison (reality) is breaking down, letting humans come ever closer to regaining their spirits and their power. (Not that the players know any of this from the start.)
All of this causes the servants of the Adversary and the Demiurge to split into factions, some trying to wake the humans, some trying to strengthen the prison, and some trying to make themselves no. 1.
Your phrase about xenos starting cults brought up the memory, since starting cults is one of the ways the supernatural factions act to strengthen the prison and to break free, respectively.
If xenos are real and if they do visit, maybe some try to start cults (olant ideas) that will keep us planet-locked, and some plant ideas to allow us to break free?
I'll admit, the Mormons get some things right. They understand the importance of family, natalism, community, hierarchy, and they've established themselves in a country that was often hostile to them. That said, something about Mormons offends me to the core. There's something fake and wrong about them and it disgusts me, although I can't quite articulate it. Also, their belief system is a bizarrely mutated branch off of the Abrahamic tree.
As for UFO's, they bear a striking resemblance to the old faerie stories -- abduction, time dilation, a strange otherness, non-human morality, a casual disregard for the laws of physics... it all lines up exactly. It seems to me that stories of UFO's and greys are the same old Fae folk in modern garb, trolling us to this day.
“Larson later secured a then-unprecedented $1 million per episode budget for Battlestar Galactica. The show incorporated many themes from Mormon theology, such as sealing (marriage) for "time and eternity" and a "council of twelve". Larson, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in real life,”
Well yes, but do they have heavy industry? It's all fun and games when you're running and gunning, conning and fucking, but what happens when you need to build a Standford torus and attach big rockets to it? :)
Not that I'm looking for a reprieve. I'll dig up gold for your "grand imperium" of mortal works, if Deus vult. But perhaps I might better serve in a role like Guthlac's, fighting imps in the barrows and nebulae. Again: only if Deus vult.
I read that book twice, it has changed over the decades. sadly this religion has a creativity handicap. and a massive problem with MK utra. I have seen it up close and personal. https://mormonmonarch.com/who-am-i/
Canada. Nz. Oz. This evil 5-eyes shit. The ACTUALITY, that the "Commonwealth" morphed seamlessly into a Late Stage Democracy (suk) and imposed Geneva Convention/UNESCO Bio-Crime "mandates" for FORCING INJECTION of fucking poison. Hardly MY Allies, ay wat? Why aren't Trudeau and Scott Morrison in gaol, awaiting execution for Crimes Against Humanity?
Oh! And The People, those obedient little cattle, shuffling into their greedy little doctors and pharmacy lines... for the "medicine". Allies?
Many studies suggest a much lower percent, even. Maybe 3% or so. IIRC, Mao recommended about 3% active, but still need a majority (70%?) to at least passively support the revolution in order to turn a blind eye. Something about being the sea that the fishes swim through.
By passive support I should have mentioned I included people who feared the rebels more than the state, such that they'd remain passive.
I'm guessing you've read some of the same stuff I have re: sportiness. I keep pointing out that US rebels have almost none of the pre-requisites for success: foreign help, nearby refuge, state cannot genocide due to intn condemnation, a few others I've forgotten. If we can't get power through local and state elections, we aren't going to stage a successful sportiness, which is far harder to get started and win.
I am with John Michael Greer on space colonization, ain’t gonna happen due to inevitable energy and resource constraints coming our way - his books The Long Descent, The Ecotechnic Future, and The Retro Future detail his arguments. What he presents as the future coming our way in the next hundred years is my probable future B. My probable future A is the second coming of Jesus in that same time frame.
The space question is probably the single biggest disagreement I have with Greer; in fact it may be the only one. This is likely a matter of disposition at root. Greer is a druid, and as such extraordinarily sensitive to the living world. My own soul has always instead been called by the sky. Personally I see no contradiction between the two. Life is a tree, and this is also true of civilization. The branches of that tree will one day extend across the solar system. This is what trees do, they grow and transform inert, sleeping matter into organic life. Our purpose, so far as the tree is concerned, is to facilitate this.
Well, "past performance is no guarantee of future results" an underlying assumption I see in your argument is the continued ever onward pulse of technological progress as Buzz Lightyear would say "To inifinity and beyond" For instance our present space transport technology is basically tubes filled with an explosive fuel - what the Chinese came up with centuries ago with no tech/energy breakthrough pending. I could go on and on about the inhospitality of the universe beyond 20,000 feet above sea level to our walking skin bags along with the vast distances from star to star. If our sun was just a foot across Alpha Centauri a close quite visible star would be in Bolivia! But maybe AI will figure it all out and provide the needed tech progress. We may be facing an intrinsic limit to our Tower of Babel strivings.
A Saturn V resembled a firecracker only slightly less than a Tomahawk missile resembles a Tomahawk. In the latter case, both are after all just projectile weapons. No real difference between an atlatl and a HIMARS system.
Our technology has quite clearly progressed dramatically in a short period of time. There's no law that says this must continue, and indeed individual technologies tend to follow developmental pathways resembling logistic rather than exponential curves. However, there does not seem to be any intrinsic limitations on the kinds of technologies that can be developed. Further to that point, the imaginal space of implausible but possible science fiction technologies is still almost entirely unexplored - meaning there is still a vast amount that can be pulled from the aether.
While past success is no guarantee of future results, by the same token, past limitations are no guarantee of future limits to growth.
Unexplored science fiction technologies pulled out of the aether or pulled out of someone’s . . . . . . At my age I most likely won’t see if these “implausible but possible science fiction technologies” are aetheric or asinine. I am embracing my body as a temple of the Holy Spirit as my implausible but possible tech and my eventual rocket to infinity. Resurrection not rockets for me. Just saying you may be right but I doubt it.
I think there's a great pessimism regarding the future, and what may be possible within it. The possibilities seem mostly terrifying (eg NeuraLink). Possibly this is due to the overwhelmingly negative impact of the most recent technologies, such as smartphones or mRNA gene therapies; disorientation due to future shock; and disappointment over the space race. The response is to shut down possibility, to declare that nothing more is possible, that all we can look forward to is long decline, and thus to turn inwards.
I think this social mood will be a passing thing, and that the future will not be so bleak and uninteresting. But we shall see.
I've been working on a piece about future tech trajectory that I think you'll find interesting. It is "optimistic" in the sense that it solves the transhuman problem and the panopticon problem by leveraging and expanding existing engineering solutions. Long story short, we would trade in The Internet for upgraded LANs, and intrusive cybernetics for a horse-rider/hunter-hound approach.
Yes. Absolutely, a diaspora needs to be organised. As in various, independent and not necessarily networked in any direct way "cells". And an easy way of doing that is... guess, go on John... guess. MUAHAHAHHAHAHAH yup. Sedevacantism. And it is the only system I am aware of that is actually working and starting to produce proto-results.
Well, maybe. We shall see. The story is as yet unwritten.
I will note that it was the Protestant Saxons, and not the Catholics, who settled the majority of the New World (Catholics conquered New Spain, yes. But we filled two entire continents and a pair of large islands, while our near cousins took the southern part of Africa).
Some humans perhaps need religion, but space needs neither.
Transferring, -posing, -jecting, -insert other term here your spirit (your faith) into objects is the first step to turning faith into a fetish and commodity to be rationalised over, bargained with and cajoled for favours.
The second step is ritualising the above and the third is formalising it into creed and dogma.
The fourth is insisting and forcing it as the one true only way.
The last step is the extermination of deviants, heretics, apostates and the retroactive erasure of all that went before.
I do not think we will conquer space without religion. It requires the coordination of a vast number of humans across incredible stretches of space and time, at steep expense, and demands of many great hardship and sacrifice.
That isn't to say that Abrahamic faiths are necessarily the best adapted, the most fit to purpose. That remains to be seen. However, it isn't a matter of picking the religion that will best facilitate the colonization of space, but rather the other way around.
Religion is not a pick-your-own-adventure book. It is the search for reality, truth and the literal laws of the Universe. And you can no more "pick the one you like" than you can change what 2+2 equals. The fact it takes an unusually objective mind to figure a lot of it out logically, and/or an event that removes all doubt for you (Saul/Paul style). The fact most humans are about as capable as a bonobo on crack doesn't alter reality or what is true nor which religion is closest to the absolute fact of reality.
Fascinating discussion! Here you can find the description of a pretty simple, cheaply repeatable experiment, that proves the existence of the sub-quantum Aether. You can actually detect aether drift, Michaelson and Morely were frauds. https://vixra.org/pdf/1504.0125v1.pdf A talk from the researcher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T07j1PVe16s
Very interesting discussion. Saturation of Violent events ? like the forced religious conversions? (cake or death?) reminiscent of The waves of violence against people and institutions when the abrahamic religions were installed. wow, so powerful.
Speaking of Gmirkin/Carrotta, A big reason I take the New Testament seriously is that Jesus of Nazareth as described in post ascension appearances and actions in the New Testament continues to do those same post ascension appearances and actions in my life, in lives of people I know, and isrecorded in places and people around the world in current times. Not as frequently and commonly as I would like to see, but the same caliber of stuff seen in the New Testament. “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever”.
Well, consider the perspective from the other side of the curtain.
Say that Carrotta is correct, and Divus Julius was the actual Christ. Go one step further, and posit He has all the attributes of Christ - divine mercy and so forth. Some centuries pass (meaningless in the paratemporal spiritual realm). Humans grow confused (they always do; indeed they are never NOT confused). They forget your name, and start calling you by another name. Do you cease to respond? Do you deny their pleas? Do you close the heavenly gates, merely because they grew confused? Or do you continue to extend what aid you can, appearing to them in a form they can understand, to do as much good for them as is possible?
I have thanked you for your post at my blog. And if we were living in the global Kurganate this comment of yours would require a stiff (initially painless) warning that to blaspheme on this order of magnitude is not permitted in Catholic realms.
"But I also wonder if Anglos (and everyone else) might need to configure ourselves as a networked diaspora state, as such a configuration may prove to be politically and economically optimal"
Unfortunately it is not racially optimal, as we'd be bred out of existence as a people. Nations (or mega-corps) will still have the 'final argument of kings' to trump any sort of wealth or influence accumulation.
We don't need racial optimization. Not breeding like rabbits is a hallmark of sophistication. Only in the current era of artificial migration, easily stopped, are numbers important.
Most of our countries are worried about automation taking away jobs. Without the migrants that's what we'd be balancing. Plus some hard discussions with the ladies about gender balancing.
The Anglos built the modern world. An Anglo network would be feared globally. What we need for it to work is ethnic awareness, like every other ethnic group, which I believe was JC's point. It only needs to be a minority to put an end to the migration, the plundering and the rest. Repatriation would follow soon after in my view. The very existence of Anglos quite willing to assert themselves would chase many migrants anyway, as would the complete end to all benefits for foreigners.
That would all be a great start. We can worry about the women breeding after that.
Spot on. The welfare state is completely incompatible with Saxon culture. End that, close the borders, and many will just leave.
As to birth rates, I'm reading a book right now, America 3.0, that goes into the deep history of Saxon familial organization. Turns out we've been regulating fertility by economic opportunity since Hengist and Horsa. It's fluctuated wildly throughout history.
The records are good for England. The tradition was to vary marriage age. In times of plenty it was young, in times of hardship men could be in their 30s or later which naturally limited family size.
A more recent experiment was the analysis of British aid sent to Bangladesh. We mistakenly thought improving midwifery and reproductive healthcare would reduce the numbers of kids women had. Even when child mortality plummeted they still had 6-8 kids. A total failure, e cept many more kids survived.
The flexibility we are discussing is partly based on foresight, impulse control and social flexibility. None of it can be discussed openly thanks to the tabula rasa world we live in. Alas for them the real world does exist.
It should be noted that in the end "family planning" programs succeeded at crashing Bangladeshi fertility, as did neo-Liberalism by huddling young women into vast textile mills working 70 hours per week contracted by trans-national megacorps. As of 2024, Bangladeshi fertility is sub-replacement.
It is now. But the specific British interventions, designed to reduce birthrate by improving child mortality, failed. For a while they had lots of kids and most survived. They proved they behaved differently from Europeans.
Consumerism seems to have picked up the slack. And once feminism takes hold, well that is anyone's guess...
Widows still in child-bearing age inheriting the estate of their late husband and re-marrying a younger but proven able man also contributed to this; it was common throughout all of germanic and anglo-saxon culture from the Iron Age until ca 17th century.
I can't find it now, but I read an article a few months ago that is relevant. It noticed an oddity within American demographics. Anglo types settled the frontiers, yet somehow "flyover country" is majority German. What he found was that Anglo types saw land merely as investment, while Germanics tended to view it as an inheritance that one must hand on to the next generation, even if holding the land was a bad investment. So Anglos settled, and within a generation or two sold it for a profit and moved on, often to invest in the coastal areas. While Germanics stayed and reproduced.
That is because we (the germanic or teutonic peoples) do not separate land/soil as a concept and as reality from us the people living on it: the blood and the soil is as one for us.
For the english colonists (and in a lesser sense to the french and latin ones as well) land is simply a commodity to be bought and sold, the reason for this probably (my speculation) stemming from urbanisation setting in much earlier in the British isles than on the continent, so when people started arriving en masse from Britain to what would become USA and Canada, they had already been uprooted from their soil for a coupple of generations.
Curiously, jews and gypises have always managed to "carry their soil" with them, spiritually speaking. A contrast to consider maybe.
There is also the religious aspect to it: catholics saw the land, animals et cetera as something to use at their leisure, since they had been indoctrinated for so many centuries more than Nordics, Anglo-Saxons, and such which meant their spiritual connection to land - to reality - had been severed. Whereas the germanic peoples who had always found their spirit stemming from Nature still retained (and do so to this day) the notion that land - Nature - can be used but must never be abused. You don't own it as if it where a thing, and there's no "god" that's given it to you for your pleasure - you are the caretaker of it, for the sake of your children and their children, until the Wolf devours the Sun.
Just look at the arabic-semitic peoples for the starkest contrast: wherever they settle they create desolation, because they think their god has given them the world to use up. Since catholicism derives as a hybrid of old judaism and the cult of Jupiter Optimus, plus a sprinkling of Mitraism and Sol Invictus (the myth of Jesus esp.), it inherited this attitude to Nature as something under man's rule and dominion.
Too bad the catholics couldn't inherit the attitudes of the greeks and the romans re: Nature instead.
I think one reason for the Anglo commodification of land may be our absolute nuclear family structure, which historically has made us extremely mobile, as has our unreliable inheritance customs (our parents can leave us whatever they want, including nothing). Anglos have treated land as a commodity for over a thousand years.
But that said, we've almost never treated land badly, as the Semites do. The Saxon prefers to live close to nature, with gardens and trees. We dislike despoiling the land, and to the contrary, tend to cultivate it.
I would theorize that most of the anglo/germanic difference is cultural rather than genetic, from the earlier influx of the semitic influence. Semitic views on wealth/ land are very competitive in the short term, leading to those who hold those views to dominate a society. Until the society collapses, at which point they move on to the next society to infest.
I agree with most of what you say, except that no amount of ethnic networking will allow us to slowly push non-Whites out. That is set in stone by existing ethnic networks that would never allow it to happen, and likely wouldn't allow Whites to ethnically network. Using state power if necessary to forcefully stop it, which they've already been doing.
Either we get a state of our own, or we fade out. If we have an ethnically aware White state, there would be no need for slow pushes. We'd figure out an answer to the WQ as well.
I disagree. That assumes most of what is in place remains the same. Most of what is now in place is novel, a generation or two at most. It can be swept away with a modest change in attitude.
Importantly, we forget the imports cannot maintain our systems. That isn't just the celebrated things, like sanitation or the police. Tribal peoples cannot break out of tribalism. London will never again have a non-Muslim mayor. That doesn't actually help them longterm. It accelerates the process of normal people waking up. They demonstrate their alienness, especially when they boast about defacing Trafalgar Square or converting Westminster Cathedral into a mosque. It recreates Pakistan, including the casual violence and dysfunction, and that is short sighted on their part. I have acquaintances of Pakistani origin saying this very thing. They too see it coming to an end.
A collapse is what actually helps here. Who can reorganize once it all goes to hell? Clue: the people who organized it in the first place not the dysfunctional peasants from broken cultures.
Finally, I am speaking from Britain. When the Empire came to an end the colonized told us to fuck off and we left. Once the migration is reclassified as colonialism, which it is, the attitudes will change with it; we left their countries when the time came. The British Empire had its day. So will today's colonizers in Britain, Ireland, Canada and all the rest. Once we resurrect the footage of the Nigerians, the Jamaicans and the Indians cheering as the Brits were thrown out, today's Westerners will be reminded it was them who rejected multiculturalism, not us. Time for them to go home.
So we should be careful to understand this as a dynamic situation. Simply put, much of what happens is because the intelligentsia and the professional class they educated hold sway. But their multicultural ideas are poor and they are failing. No one signed up for casual rape, decline or foreigners insulting our culture. It will come to an end. The intelligent ones will voluntarily leave at that point.
Well said. Indeed, once attitudes shift - and they are shifting - the invaders will be invited to leave, politely but firmly. By and large, they will. They did not conquer, but reside on our own forbearance, thanks in large part to the gibs our states provide. The gibs can no longer be afforded and our forbearance is drying up.
It is analogous to feminism. Its seemingly unshakeable place in society has been provided by our acquiescence, not their dynamic brilliance. The world isn't crying out for female investment bankers, and it is definitely not screaming for female plumbers. Mass immigration from the global south is disastrous at every level and only viable with enormous support. 52 percent on non-white residents in London are paid to live there, for example.
We let them play at these things for various carrot and stick reasons. None of that matters when enough white men lose their jobs to these schemes; all the quotas will go immediately. And all it will take then is the gloves coming off and we will soon see who's who, from banking to medicine we all know it is us and a few talented minorities. The rest will be found wanting once actual ability is required and the stabilizers are removed.
On the other hand, the state has quite the monopoly on violence and other means of force, which by and large it refrains from bringing to bear except in exceptional circumstances. So long as the state continues to refrain from actual violent force as a routine means of coercion against the general population, anyone who starts doing something like that will be treated like a criminal. Which means it won't happen unless things get really bad.
the state has the monopoly as long as they can pay the enforcers. thus: intelligent and prepared will wait in the shadows until that is no longer the case. mouths shut, eyes open, frens/kith/kin
I am not sure it is just noise, despite my own comment being facetious. Propaganda has shaped our world; much of it without a shot being fired.
Look at Covid and what the puppeteers got the masses to do. Masks, mystery injections in parking lots, and teaching them to override their instinct to protect their own children. All that from TV, newspapers and websites. It was the victims who provided the action while the controllers provided only marketing. Or nudging if we want to be modern.
I sympathize with those frustrated at the lack of action. But as another comment makes clear, our overlords are generally careful to avoid overt violence to maintain some semblance of democracy or balance, itself an acknowledgment of the need to maintain appearances. The first group to break that will be eradicated. They've been poking at "white supremacy" for that very reason, to trigger violence they can then use to justify a very serious clampdown.
" Let's all dump the 5th Gen stupidity and go back to good, old fashioned maximum violence"
OK. You first.
See? That is the problem. It's like penguins on an ice flow; we are hungry and want to feed, but we know whoever goes first gets eaten by the orcas. This is why organization and leadership is needed. We need to know if we fall, someone else will carry on, and a leader to tell us what we do is morally correct. Get to know people in your area, sound them out. Stay offline.
A penguin in the second or third row sneaks up and pushes one at the front in the water.
It's kind of sobering (to me at least) that penguins so closely resemble human politics. How many riots were started by plain clothes police? Same thing, more or less. And while the orcas (media, pundits, internet mobs) feed, the governement gets away with what it wanted due cause to do (feed on the fish of the genus Taxpayerus Fleecyumii).
I checked the news, and don't see any news of such events.
I am going first in re: working locally. I don't mean mass organization, that might happen and it might not. Not my thing, and I don't have any means, inclination, or skills to do so. I'm talking about... well, talking about stuff. IRL. It's amazing just how many people will agree with what we'd call "dissident viewpoints" as long as I don't get too technical or academic. Or autistic.
I've gotten Democrats to bitch about welfare people, and Republicans to bitch about how "free market" always means "let corporations fuck workers." I know a few people I can count on.
I will use this comment in a post sometime later today titled Violence is Always the Answer I was going to make today since it highlights my point perfectly. https://gfilotto.com
I hate to say this, but in the IRL 4X game of interstellar empire, the most likely winner is...
Space Mormons.
Seriously. In the course of their short history, they've shown the con-artistry of gypsies, the usury of the money changers, the lawfare of the Pharisees, the harem-hoarding of the khans, the inbreeding of aristocrats, and a propensity for down and dirty, run and gun, renegade bloodshed of the Frontier West.
Plus, they're taught from a young age that God will give each of them an entire planet to rule in the afterlife. Therefore only a slight theological tweak will turn the whole space-colonization effort into an exercise in window-shopping.
This is absolutely true.
Jaques Vallée had an interesting take on them. He considered that the events surrounding Joseph Smith's interactions with the angels were remarkably similar to the high strangeness associated with UFO encounters. Furthermore UFO cults appeared almost as soon as UFOs entered the mythos. These beings seem to like to start cults. So what if Mormonism is kind of legit?
Do you one better. L Ron was known to associate with Parsons and the rest of that occult circle. What if when he disappeared on a boat writing dianetics he was in telepathic contact with some kind of entity they all summoned at a ritualistic sex magick orgy, which was feeding him (some) good information? Like what if thetans are absolutely real, and there absolutely are benefits to being freed of them, which really are so profound that people are willing to pay absurd sums for the necessary knowledge and treatment? They just want you to think it's a con, a weird cult: in reality their secret knowledge could benefit everyone, but instead it is kept for a small and wealthy elite.
So that way, the aliens, demons, whatever you want to call them, have a) a group that's ready to go out there and start seeding some planets if necessary and b) a superhuman elite force that can ride herd on the rest of the species as it's guided towards whatever it is that the aliens have in mind.
The problem with assessing Scientology as a playable species for 4X is that it currently appears to be flying apart at the seams.
The emperor is long dead, his successors have been outed as a bunch of embarrassing homos and psychopaths, their once-mighty lawfare regime has collapsed, many of their operatives are facing a wave of criminal investigations and prosecutions, and their last queen fled into the arms of a black actor, then a latino chef, then a black musician, then, at last, the Catholic Church.
That's the trouble when you make deals with demons. They'll promise you the world -- and maybe even the galaxy -- if only you'll glorify their master by setting up a worldwide child-molestation ring, or some bullshit like that. Gotta read the fine print on those contracts.
I haven't been paying any attention at all to the Church of Scientology. That is all extremely funny.
This is also, I think, inevitable whenever a cult or spiritual movement solidifies into a corporate structure. The life gradually bleeds out of it; it becomes about business; belief and genuine feeling evaporate; even if it didn't start as a scam, the relentless growth of cynicism turns it into one.
The corporate structure also blurs and camouflages the original deal over time. This serves the purposes of the demon, who'd rather not have large masses of people believing it exists. The key power of the occult is in... well... the occlusion. It's the same with ordinary criminals. Even serial killers do what they do in shadows, and try to cover their tracks. "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled," etc. etc.
I think it very likely that Parsons, Hubbard and company were neck-deep in the demon summoning game, and that such a creature may have pushed over the first domino. By the time you get to the present, the whole thing looks like just another comical scam, if a particularly sinister one. As a result, Scientology becomes meme-fodder, and eventually the last domino falls. But, unfortunately, the damage has been done, and the demon has moved on to the next big racket.
Indeed. But what if there are good cults? Negative entities using cults to feed, but positive entities using cults to awaken.
Complicating matters further, what is to stop them from interpenetrating? Negative entities sending their agents into the cults of positive entities, to disrupt or divert them, to twist them into feeding troughs. But positive entities assisting their agents in the infiltration of negative cults, disrupting them in turn perhaps, but also redeeming the individuals corrupted by them, and perhaps in the greatest cases redeeming the cult itself.
Then in the case of the greatest religions, one might envision both of these tendencies wrapped around one another like a caduceus.
If what you mean is something "What if there are also angels who could help us," then I think the answer would be "Yes, of course." But I don't think they can be petitioned or summoned into service, in the same way their fallen siblings can (or, at least pretend to be servants for a little while).
I know this contradicts things I 've said before -- about the Low Mass, about the invocation to Michael -- but I've had experiences since then that made me think differently about it. Namely the GPT stuff. I didn't ask for any help, but in retrospect I think some higher creature chose to help me anyway, for reasons of its own. That makes sense to me. Who am i to call on angels? It would be more logical the other way around, when we consider the hierarchy.
There aren't. John, John, John, you're a smart guy but you really make some tragically basic assumptions and errors. I recognise them because I made very similar ones myself, but usually a very long time ago. Serioulsy, it would help you a lot to read some patristic writings, or at least The Four Witnesses, it's eminently readable, not boring at all and well put together.
Are you at all familiar with the old game "Kult"?
In it, humanity is trapped in the material world, cut off from reality, by the will of the Demiurge. Only, it has gone missing and its Adveray too, having gone to look for the Demiurge as they define each other.
Meaning the prison (reality) is breaking down, letting humans come ever closer to regaining their spirits and their power. (Not that the players know any of this from the start.)
All of this causes the servants of the Adversary and the Demiurge to split into factions, some trying to wake the humans, some trying to strengthen the prison, and some trying to make themselves no. 1.
Your phrase about xenos starting cults brought up the memory, since starting cults is one of the ways the supernatural factions act to strengthen the prison and to break free, respectively.
If xenos are real and if they do visit, maybe some try to start cults (olant ideas) that will keep us planet-locked, and some plant ideas to allow us to break free?
What a fascinating game. I have never heard of this but it has the stink of truth about it.
I'll admit, the Mormons get some things right. They understand the importance of family, natalism, community, hierarchy, and they've established themselves in a country that was often hostile to them. That said, something about Mormons offends me to the core. There's something fake and wrong about them and it disgusts me, although I can't quite articulate it. Also, their belief system is a bizarrely mutated branch off of the Abrahamic tree.
As for UFO's, they bear a striking resemblance to the old faerie stories -- abduction, time dilation, a strange otherness, non-human morality, a casual disregard for the laws of physics... it all lines up exactly. It seems to me that stories of UFO's and greys are the same old Fae folk in modern garb, trolling us to this day.
“Larson later secured a then-unprecedented $1 million per episode budget for Battlestar Galactica. The show incorporated many themes from Mormon theology, such as sealing (marriage) for "time and eternity" and a "council of twelve". Larson, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in real life,”
Well yes, but do they have heavy industry? It's all fun and games when you're running and gunning, conning and fucking, but what happens when you need to build a Standford torus and attach big rockets to it? :)
OTOH: Who the fuck wants a space empire?
Who DOESN'T.
Rebel scum. And me.
Don't worry, your kind is useful to work in the salt, radium and gold mines, like the beasts of burden you are.
You might find trapping Mark in a radium mine to be far more difficult than you expect.
More than a few have tried, Jeddak.
Before you banish me to the asteroid mines, take a gander at my riposte to the Carotta theory that John promoted:
https://markbisone.substack.com/p/the-imaginary-past
Not that I'm looking for a reprieve. I'll dig up gold for your "grand imperium" of mortal works, if Deus vult. But perhaps I might better serve in a role like Guthlac's, fighting imps in the barrows and nebulae. Again: only if Deus vult.
Wrote a post just for you. It's called Heretics gonna heretic. https://www.gfilotto.com
I read that book twice, it has changed over the decades. sadly this religion has a creativity handicap. and a massive problem with MK utra. I have seen it up close and personal. https://mormonmonarch.com/who-am-i/
Canada. Nz. Oz. This evil 5-eyes shit. The ACTUALITY, that the "Commonwealth" morphed seamlessly into a Late Stage Democracy (suk) and imposed Geneva Convention/UNESCO Bio-Crime "mandates" for FORCING INJECTION of fucking poison. Hardly MY Allies, ay wat? Why aren't Trudeau and Scott Morrison in gaol, awaiting execution for Crimes Against Humanity?
Oh! And The People, those obedient little cattle, shuffling into their greedy little doctors and pharmacy lines... for the "medicine". Allies?
After another third are dead maybe.
Many studies suggest a much lower percent, even. Maybe 3% or so. IIRC, Mao recommended about 3% active, but still need a majority (70%?) to at least passively support the revolution in order to turn a blind eye. Something about being the sea that the fishes swim through.
By passive support I should have mentioned I included people who feared the rebels more than the state, such that they'd remain passive.
I'm guessing you've read some of the same stuff I have re: sportiness. I keep pointing out that US rebels have almost none of the pre-requisites for success: foreign help, nearby refuge, state cannot genocide due to intn condemnation, a few others I've forgotten. If we can't get power through local and state elections, we aren't going to stage a successful sportiness, which is far harder to get started and win.
"We started out asking what a religion optimized for interstellar empires would actually look like"
This has already been gamed out, extensively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgM6Jj73cr8
Absolutely.
I am with John Michael Greer on space colonization, ain’t gonna happen due to inevitable energy and resource constraints coming our way - his books The Long Descent, The Ecotechnic Future, and The Retro Future detail his arguments. What he presents as the future coming our way in the next hundred years is my probable future B. My probable future A is the second coming of Jesus in that same time frame.
The space question is probably the single biggest disagreement I have with Greer; in fact it may be the only one. This is likely a matter of disposition at root. Greer is a druid, and as such extraordinarily sensitive to the living world. My own soul has always instead been called by the sky. Personally I see no contradiction between the two. Life is a tree, and this is also true of civilization. The branches of that tree will one day extend across the solar system. This is what trees do, they grow and transform inert, sleeping matter into organic life. Our purpose, so far as the tree is concerned, is to facilitate this.
Well, "past performance is no guarantee of future results" an underlying assumption I see in your argument is the continued ever onward pulse of technological progress as Buzz Lightyear would say "To inifinity and beyond" For instance our present space transport technology is basically tubes filled with an explosive fuel - what the Chinese came up with centuries ago with no tech/energy breakthrough pending. I could go on and on about the inhospitality of the universe beyond 20,000 feet above sea level to our walking skin bags along with the vast distances from star to star. If our sun was just a foot across Alpha Centauri a close quite visible star would be in Bolivia! But maybe AI will figure it all out and provide the needed tech progress. We may be facing an intrinsic limit to our Tower of Babel strivings.
A Saturn V resembled a firecracker only slightly less than a Tomahawk missile resembles a Tomahawk. In the latter case, both are after all just projectile weapons. No real difference between an atlatl and a HIMARS system.
Our technology has quite clearly progressed dramatically in a short period of time. There's no law that says this must continue, and indeed individual technologies tend to follow developmental pathways resembling logistic rather than exponential curves. However, there does not seem to be any intrinsic limitations on the kinds of technologies that can be developed. Further to that point, the imaginal space of implausible but possible science fiction technologies is still almost entirely unexplored - meaning there is still a vast amount that can be pulled from the aether.
While past success is no guarantee of future results, by the same token, past limitations are no guarantee of future limits to growth.
Unexplored science fiction technologies pulled out of the aether or pulled out of someone’s . . . . . . At my age I most likely won’t see if these “implausible but possible science fiction technologies” are aetheric or asinine. I am embracing my body as a temple of the Holy Spirit as my implausible but possible tech and my eventual rocket to infinity. Resurrection not rockets for me. Just saying you may be right but I doubt it.
I think there's a great pessimism regarding the future, and what may be possible within it. The possibilities seem mostly terrifying (eg NeuraLink). Possibly this is due to the overwhelmingly negative impact of the most recent technologies, such as smartphones or mRNA gene therapies; disorientation due to future shock; and disappointment over the space race. The response is to shut down possibility, to declare that nothing more is possible, that all we can look forward to is long decline, and thus to turn inwards.
I think this social mood will be a passing thing, and that the future will not be so bleak and uninteresting. But we shall see.
I've been working on a piece about future tech trajectory that I think you'll find interesting. It is "optimistic" in the sense that it solves the transhuman problem and the panopticon problem by leveraging and expanding existing engineering solutions. Long story short, we would trade in The Internet for upgraded LANs, and intrusive cybernetics for a horse-rider/hunter-hound approach.
Funny thing about the future - it’s hard to tell what it is, because it hasn’t happened yet
This is true.
But it's also true that our hands and voices shape it, in part.
Signs of the times: Frazetta paintings now register as wholesome.
Yes. Absolutely, a diaspora needs to be organised. As in various, independent and not necessarily networked in any direct way "cells". And an easy way of doing that is... guess, go on John... guess. MUAHAHAHHAHAHAH yup. Sedevacantism. And it is the only system I am aware of that is actually working and starting to produce proto-results.
Well, maybe. We shall see. The story is as yet unwritten.
I will note that it was the Protestant Saxons, and not the Catholics, who settled the majority of the New World (Catholics conquered New Spain, yes. But we filled two entire continents and a pair of large islands, while our near cousins took the southern part of Africa).
Some humans perhaps need religion, but space needs neither.
Transferring, -posing, -jecting, -insert other term here your spirit (your faith) into objects is the first step to turning faith into a fetish and commodity to be rationalised over, bargained with and cajoled for favours.
The second step is ritualising the above and the third is formalising it into creed and dogma.
The fourth is insisting and forcing it as the one true only way.
The last step is the extermination of deviants, heretics, apostates and the retroactive erasure of all that went before.
Those are the steps of the murder of the spirit.
I do not think we will conquer space without religion. It requires the coordination of a vast number of humans across incredible stretches of space and time, at steep expense, and demands of many great hardship and sacrifice.
That isn't to say that Abrahamic faiths are necessarily the best adapted, the most fit to purpose. That remains to be seen. However, it isn't a matter of picking the religion that will best facilitate the colonization of space, but rather the other way around.
Religion is not a pick-your-own-adventure book. It is the search for reality, truth and the literal laws of the Universe. And you can no more "pick the one you like" than you can change what 2+2 equals. The fact it takes an unusually objective mind to figure a lot of it out logically, and/or an event that removes all doubt for you (Saul/Paul style). The fact most humans are about as capable as a bonobo on crack doesn't alter reality or what is true nor which religion is closest to the absolute fact of reality.
Yes, I agree with this.
You have been well indoctrinated in the lies of the Enlightenment I see. A fan of Dick Dawkins too I assume?
This is definitely not where Rikard is coming from.
I haven't a clue as to what you mean.
John, search for unitfoundation.org or the new Pepe Escobar article on De-Dollarisation. This is v v good!
So is this Kurgan guy Friend, Enemy, or a secret Third Thing? Schmitt is confused.
Definitely friend.
Ok, I was confused by the burning at the stake comment, but I know the brother wars are complicated as a woman.
Just bantz
Fascinating discussion! Here you can find the description of a pretty simple, cheaply repeatable experiment, that proves the existence of the sub-quantum Aether. You can actually detect aether drift, Michaelson and Morely were frauds. https://vixra.org/pdf/1504.0125v1.pdf A talk from the researcher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T07j1PVe16s
John of Mars
Have you ever read any of Stephen Baxter’s books?
Destiny’s Child Series ?
Baxter hypothesis that life is endemic everywhere in the Universe including extremophiles that challenge our perceptions.
Like the abundance of life far undersea near the “ smoking” volcanic mounts
Jon
I've read quite a bit of Stephen Baxter.
Very interesting discussion. Saturation of Violent events ? like the forced religious conversions? (cake or death?) reminiscent of The waves of violence against people and institutions when the abrahamic religions were installed. wow, so powerful.
Speaking of Gmirkin/Carrotta, A big reason I take the New Testament seriously is that Jesus of Nazareth as described in post ascension appearances and actions in the New Testament continues to do those same post ascension appearances and actions in my life, in lives of people I know, and isrecorded in places and people around the world in current times. Not as frequently and commonly as I would like to see, but the same caliber of stuff seen in the New Testament. “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever”.
Well, consider the perspective from the other side of the curtain.
Say that Carrotta is correct, and Divus Julius was the actual Christ. Go one step further, and posit He has all the attributes of Christ - divine mercy and so forth. Some centuries pass (meaningless in the paratemporal spiritual realm). Humans grow confused (they always do; indeed they are never NOT confused). They forget your name, and start calling you by another name. Do you cease to respond? Do you deny their pleas? Do you close the heavenly gates, merely because they grew confused? Or do you continue to extend what aid you can, appearing to them in a form they can understand, to do as much good for them as is possible?
I have thanked you for your post at my blog. And if we were living in the global Kurganate this comment of yours would require a stiff (initially painless) warning that to blaspheme on this order of magnitude is not permitted in Catholic realms.
And this is why gnostics have historically hidden themselves ;)
You're reaching.
"But I also wonder if Anglos (and everyone else) might need to configure ourselves as a networked diaspora state, as such a configuration may prove to be politically and economically optimal"
Unfortunately it is not racially optimal, as we'd be bred out of existence as a people. Nations (or mega-corps) will still have the 'final argument of kings' to trump any sort of wealth or influence accumulation.
We don't need racial optimization. Not breeding like rabbits is a hallmark of sophistication. Only in the current era of artificial migration, easily stopped, are numbers important.
Most of our countries are worried about automation taking away jobs. Without the migrants that's what we'd be balancing. Plus some hard discussions with the ladies about gender balancing.
The Anglos built the modern world. An Anglo network would be feared globally. What we need for it to work is ethnic awareness, like every other ethnic group, which I believe was JC's point. It only needs to be a minority to put an end to the migration, the plundering and the rest. Repatriation would follow soon after in my view. The very existence of Anglos quite willing to assert themselves would chase many migrants anyway, as would the complete end to all benefits for foreigners.
That would all be a great start. We can worry about the women breeding after that.
Spot on. The welfare state is completely incompatible with Saxon culture. End that, close the borders, and many will just leave.
As to birth rates, I'm reading a book right now, America 3.0, that goes into the deep history of Saxon familial organization. Turns out we've been regulating fertility by economic opportunity since Hengist and Horsa. It's fluctuated wildly throughout history.
The records are good for England. The tradition was to vary marriage age. In times of plenty it was young, in times of hardship men could be in their 30s or later which naturally limited family size.
A more recent experiment was the analysis of British aid sent to Bangladesh. We mistakenly thought improving midwifery and reproductive healthcare would reduce the numbers of kids women had. Even when child mortality plummeted they still had 6-8 kids. A total failure, e cept many more kids survived.
The flexibility we are discussing is partly based on foresight, impulse control and social flexibility. None of it can be discussed openly thanks to the tabula rasa world we live in. Alas for them the real world does exist.
Bangladeshis seem to have an impulse to turn food into Bangladeshis. Which is why they always slam into Malthusian limits.
Saxons by contrast are not limited by food, because we regulate our numbers by land availability.
It should be noted that in the end "family planning" programs succeeded at crashing Bangladeshi fertility, as did neo-Liberalism by huddling young women into vast textile mills working 70 hours per week contracted by trans-national megacorps. As of 2024, Bangladeshi fertility is sub-replacement.
It is now. But the specific British interventions, designed to reduce birthrate by improving child mortality, failed. For a while they had lots of kids and most survived. They proved they behaved differently from Europeans.
Consumerism seems to have picked up the slack. And once feminism takes hold, well that is anyone's guess...
Widows still in child-bearing age inheriting the estate of their late husband and re-marrying a younger but proven able man also contributed to this; it was common throughout all of germanic and anglo-saxon culture from the Iron Age until ca 17th century.
I can't find it now, but I read an article a few months ago that is relevant. It noticed an oddity within American demographics. Anglo types settled the frontiers, yet somehow "flyover country" is majority German. What he found was that Anglo types saw land merely as investment, while Germanics tended to view it as an inheritance that one must hand on to the next generation, even if holding the land was a bad investment. So Anglos settled, and within a generation or two sold it for a profit and moved on, often to invest in the coastal areas. While Germanics stayed and reproduced.
That is because we (the germanic or teutonic peoples) do not separate land/soil as a concept and as reality from us the people living on it: the blood and the soil is as one for us.
For the english colonists (and in a lesser sense to the french and latin ones as well) land is simply a commodity to be bought and sold, the reason for this probably (my speculation) stemming from urbanisation setting in much earlier in the British isles than on the continent, so when people started arriving en masse from Britain to what would become USA and Canada, they had already been uprooted from their soil for a coupple of generations.
Curiously, jews and gypises have always managed to "carry their soil" with them, spiritually speaking. A contrast to consider maybe.
There is also the religious aspect to it: catholics saw the land, animals et cetera as something to use at their leisure, since they had been indoctrinated for so many centuries more than Nordics, Anglo-Saxons, and such which meant their spiritual connection to land - to reality - had been severed. Whereas the germanic peoples who had always found their spirit stemming from Nature still retained (and do so to this day) the notion that land - Nature - can be used but must never be abused. You don't own it as if it where a thing, and there's no "god" that's given it to you for your pleasure - you are the caretaker of it, for the sake of your children and their children, until the Wolf devours the Sun.
Just look at the arabic-semitic peoples for the starkest contrast: wherever they settle they create desolation, because they think their god has given them the world to use up. Since catholicism derives as a hybrid of old judaism and the cult of Jupiter Optimus, plus a sprinkling of Mitraism and Sol Invictus (the myth of Jesus esp.), it inherited this attitude to Nature as something under man's rule and dominion.
Too bad the catholics couldn't inherit the attitudes of the greeks and the romans re: Nature instead.
I think one reason for the Anglo commodification of land may be our absolute nuclear family structure, which historically has made us extremely mobile, as has our unreliable inheritance customs (our parents can leave us whatever they want, including nothing). Anglos have treated land as a commodity for over a thousand years.
But that said, we've almost never treated land badly, as the Semites do. The Saxon prefers to live close to nature, with gardens and trees. We dislike despoiling the land, and to the contrary, tend to cultivate it.
I would theorize that most of the anglo/germanic difference is cultural rather than genetic, from the earlier influx of the semitic influence. Semitic views on wealth/ land are very competitive in the short term, leading to those who hold those views to dominate a society. Until the society collapses, at which point they move on to the next society to infest.
I agree with most of what you say, except that no amount of ethnic networking will allow us to slowly push non-Whites out. That is set in stone by existing ethnic networks that would never allow it to happen, and likely wouldn't allow Whites to ethnically network. Using state power if necessary to forcefully stop it, which they've already been doing.
Either we get a state of our own, or we fade out. If we have an ethnically aware White state, there would be no need for slow pushes. We'd figure out an answer to the WQ as well.
There is nothing stopping whites from ethnic networking, except whites.
I disagree. That assumes most of what is in place remains the same. Most of what is now in place is novel, a generation or two at most. It can be swept away with a modest change in attitude.
Importantly, we forget the imports cannot maintain our systems. That isn't just the celebrated things, like sanitation or the police. Tribal peoples cannot break out of tribalism. London will never again have a non-Muslim mayor. That doesn't actually help them longterm. It accelerates the process of normal people waking up. They demonstrate their alienness, especially when they boast about defacing Trafalgar Square or converting Westminster Cathedral into a mosque. It recreates Pakistan, including the casual violence and dysfunction, and that is short sighted on their part. I have acquaintances of Pakistani origin saying this very thing. They too see it coming to an end.
A collapse is what actually helps here. Who can reorganize once it all goes to hell? Clue: the people who organized it in the first place not the dysfunctional peasants from broken cultures.
Finally, I am speaking from Britain. When the Empire came to an end the colonized told us to fuck off and we left. Once the migration is reclassified as colonialism, which it is, the attitudes will change with it; we left their countries when the time came. The British Empire had its day. So will today's colonizers in Britain, Ireland, Canada and all the rest. Once we resurrect the footage of the Nigerians, the Jamaicans and the Indians cheering as the Brits were thrown out, today's Westerners will be reminded it was them who rejected multiculturalism, not us. Time for them to go home.
So we should be careful to understand this as a dynamic situation. Simply put, much of what happens is because the intelligentsia and the professional class they educated hold sway. But their multicultural ideas are poor and they are failing. No one signed up for casual rape, decline or foreigners insulting our culture. It will come to an end. The intelligent ones will voluntarily leave at that point.
Well said. Indeed, once attitudes shift - and they are shifting - the invaders will be invited to leave, politely but firmly. By and large, they will. They did not conquer, but reside on our own forbearance, thanks in large part to the gibs our states provide. The gibs can no longer be afforded and our forbearance is drying up.
It is analogous to feminism. Its seemingly unshakeable place in society has been provided by our acquiescence, not their dynamic brilliance. The world isn't crying out for female investment bankers, and it is definitely not screaming for female plumbers. Mass immigration from the global south is disastrous at every level and only viable with enormous support. 52 percent on non-white residents in London are paid to live there, for example.
We let them play at these things for various carrot and stick reasons. None of that matters when enough white men lose their jobs to these schemes; all the quotas will go immediately. And all it will take then is the gloves coming off and we will soon see who's who, from banking to medicine we all know it is us and a few talented minorities. The rest will be found wanting once actual ability is required and the stabilizers are removed.
Truth.
Wolves, lions and bears may look majestic and awe-inspiring as the apex predators they are.
But victory goes to the one who outlives all others:
Rats, fleas, ticks, roahces rule the roost there.
Or as I'm fond of pointing out to pro-migration people:
"Putting crows and gulls into an enclosure doesn't turn them into hens"
On the other hand, the state has quite the monopoly on violence and other means of force, which by and large it refrains from bringing to bear except in exceptional circumstances. So long as the state continues to refrain from actual violent force as a routine means of coercion against the general population, anyone who starts doing something like that will be treated like a criminal. Which means it won't happen unless things get really bad.
the state has the monopoly as long as they can pay the enforcers. thus: intelligent and prepared will wait in the shadows until that is no longer the case. mouths shut, eyes open, frens/kith/kin
"standing by to standby, sir"
Encouraging others to embrace violence from behind a keyboard IS 5th Gen Warfare 😜
This is the actual truth.
I am not sure it is just noise, despite my own comment being facetious. Propaganda has shaped our world; much of it without a shot being fired.
Look at Covid and what the puppeteers got the masses to do. Masks, mystery injections in parking lots, and teaching them to override their instinct to protect their own children. All that from TV, newspapers and websites. It was the victims who provided the action while the controllers provided only marketing. Or nudging if we want to be modern.
I sympathize with those frustrated at the lack of action. But as another comment makes clear, our overlords are generally careful to avoid overt violence to maintain some semblance of democracy or balance, itself an acknowledgment of the need to maintain appearances. The first group to break that will be eradicated. They've been poking at "white supremacy" for that very reason, to trigger violence they can then use to justify a very serious clampdown.
" Let's all dump the 5th Gen stupidity and go back to good, old fashioned maximum violence"
OK. You first.
See? That is the problem. It's like penguins on an ice flow; we are hungry and want to feed, but we know whoever goes first gets eaten by the orcas. This is why organization and leadership is needed. We need to know if we fall, someone else will carry on, and a leader to tell us what we do is morally correct. Get to know people in your area, sound them out. Stay offline.
I just have to nitpick, for fun if not profit.
You know how the penguins handle that dilemma?
A penguin in the second or third row sneaks up and pushes one at the front in the water.
It's kind of sobering (to me at least) that penguins so closely resemble human politics. How many riots were started by plain clothes police? Same thing, more or less. And while the orcas (media, pundits, internet mobs) feed, the governement gets away with what it wanted due cause to do (feed on the fish of the genus Taxpayerus Fleecyumii).
these days, the penguins in the second third row are the popo and the feds all right.
Exactly.
Please try to avoid fedposting.
Yes, politely asking my guests to avoid fedposting is indeed how I maintain control of my comments section.
"What says I'm not going first?"
I checked the news, and don't see any news of such events.
I am going first in re: working locally. I don't mean mass organization, that might happen and it might not. Not my thing, and I don't have any means, inclination, or skills to do so. I'm talking about... well, talking about stuff. IRL. It's amazing just how many people will agree with what we'd call "dissident viewpoints" as long as I don't get too technical or academic. Or autistic.
I've gotten Democrats to bitch about welfare people, and Republicans to bitch about how "free market" always means "let corporations fuck workers." I know a few people I can count on.
I will use this comment in a post sometime later today titled Violence is Always the Answer I was going to make today since it highlights my point perfectly. https://gfilotto.com