Here in Sweden, poor people live in council housing apartments in the cities or regional administrative centers; "rural poor" isn't a thing here.
If you're poor (i.e. on welfare), you aren't allowed to own property, not even a car unless you get an exemption and then the car may not be worth mor…
Here in Sweden, poor people live in council housing apartments in the cities or regional administrative centers; "rural poor" isn't a thing here.
If you're poor (i.e. on welfare), you aren't allowed to own property, not even a car unless you get an exemption and then the car may not be worth more than 10 000:- (about USD 1 000).
These kids come from two-income families living comfortably in the areas right outside the cities, and are uncultured, uneducated, ahistorical, apolitical and most concerned with creature comforts.
Poor in culture, not money - our class divides are kind of weird that way, that a highly educated and trained professional such as myself may earn as little as about $2500/month (gross) for a full-time teaching position, while a construction worker rakes in 50% more.
Five years university studies, demanding top grades from compulsory and secondary school vs. compulsory plus two years as an on-site intern worker at a local company.
Add to that the student loan debt anyone with "higher education" has (I've got about $30 000 left to pay, if that seems low remember we don't pay tuition here) - which the construction worker doesn't have. This means that his pay is even higher still, since the amount you have to pay back is determined by how many years you have to retirement-age. If you want to pay off at a faster rate, you have to ask permission to do so (not that you'll be able to).
Swedish class-divides are nowadays largely by income alone, not culture. Since it galls and irks the "crypto-bro" kind of people who see themselves as Homo Novus Nobilis that lowly plummers or welders earn far more and command much greater respect, they feel a compulsive need to "get back at them" by denigrating anything the working class enjoys.
Not to mention that the worker will drive a city-jeep or a covered pick-up and tinker with it to keep it going, while the bourgeois yuppie-wannabe drives a Tesla and have to drive it to a mechanic's just to change to winter-tyres.
It's tangled and messy and there's a metric fuck-ton more to say on this, but that's the core: bourgeois class-snobbery and envy vs uncouth and uncultured hedonist workers.
That's not so different from North America. Tradesmen tend to be a kind of working class aristocracy, making excellent money but quite plebeian in their tastes. The bougie "middle" class types hate them, since they don't make as much and are burdened with more debt. The lumpenproles are really their own thing - an underclass supporting itself from welfare and drug dealing, politically irrelevant for the most part.
That experiment with "Mouse Utopia" comes to mind, as the likely explanation.
I sometimes wonder what would have happened, had the US-and-friends either picked Huntington over Fukuyama, or simply declared a new Enemy when the East Bloc started crumbling.
I can't but help thinking that we'd been better off, culturally speaking, with either choice than with the path picked.
That goes for both makro-scale stuff like NATO and EU as well as mikro-scale stuff like a taxi driver buyintg alcohol for minors in exchange for sexual favours (this last is from the trial re: the five youths).
Be very careful with that thought. They are not politically irrelevant, they are bought votes here in Canada, as well as in the great Democrat-run cities south of us...
I also wanted to comment on the "Rural WT." Real rural (ie farm) families have enough work and structure for the children. Despite attempts via genetic engineering and other research it has not yet proven possible to breed cows who get up at 11:30 and only want to be milked once. We do have some good robotic systems now but the real rural families are working people.
The great thing now is that the trades can raise their prices to keep up with actual inflation, most of the salaried "intelligentsia" continue to fall behind. (I have had my fees (income) suppressed from the time I started working in 1981 until I was purged for declining my clot-shot.) The other benefit for the trades is the ability , so far, to work for actual cash. Little wonder that the CBDC is so attractive to our rulers.
Very little of the rural population works in agriculture anymore. Those who do are the salt of the earth, I agree, but they're a small minority.
Problem with trades is that there's a hard cap on earnings. Also hard on the body. Doesn't really use the mind - I rather bridle at the meme that smart boys rejected from universities due to DIE should just become plumbers, it's a waste of their potential. Also an excellent way to isolate them from the mechanisms of status and power.
The bright or ambitious ones end up running their own companies and do very well. At our municipal political level, the developers can drive the politicians and do quite well. Consider the Ford brothers in Toronto, or even Donald Trump on a larger stage.
I haven't figured out who works on the giant corporate farms, we don't have them on this coast. In California I see Mexicans, and the smaller farms here are often Sikh-owned and worked.
Trump was hardly a tradesman. Neither were the Ford brothers. Not that the Fords are particularly good examples of political success in any really meaningful sense. They took office and did nothing useful with it.
Understand, I have nothing against the trades. They're important and useful. But telling every demoralized white kid to go become a plumber as though this is the path to power and riches is simply delusional, and does a great service to the enemy.
Funny how the snobby bourgeois behave the same in different countries.
Here in the Uk they’re the ones holding up the refugees welcome placards, if questioned about their willingness to take in and house a refugee in their homes they never have the space or the time.
They openly show their disdain for the working class, many are hardworking tradespeople who earn a very good living.
These are the people who will spend their money wisely, pay off their mortgage and retire early as possible.
The bourgeois may have higher education levels but little hands on practical skills, they see mass immigration as a way to punish those who they view as lower than them. They however don’t want to live with or anywhere near the dross they’re happy to import, their contempt is now catching up with them now though.
My mother, a life-long socialist, except once in 1968 (any Canadian will get this, and my wife and her daughter revisited the error in 2015!) welcomed sequentially three Hungarian refugees into our home in 1956. My father supported a Czech defector in 1968 for three years. But this was all done privately, and we kept social contact for many years .
A bit lengthy, because background is needed:
Here in Sweden, poor people live in council housing apartments in the cities or regional administrative centers; "rural poor" isn't a thing here.
If you're poor (i.e. on welfare), you aren't allowed to own property, not even a car unless you get an exemption and then the car may not be worth more than 10 000:- (about USD 1 000).
These kids come from two-income families living comfortably in the areas right outside the cities, and are uncultured, uneducated, ahistorical, apolitical and most concerned with creature comforts.
Poor in culture, not money - our class divides are kind of weird that way, that a highly educated and trained professional such as myself may earn as little as about $2500/month (gross) for a full-time teaching position, while a construction worker rakes in 50% more.
Five years university studies, demanding top grades from compulsory and secondary school vs. compulsory plus two years as an on-site intern worker at a local company.
Add to that the student loan debt anyone with "higher education" has (I've got about $30 000 left to pay, if that seems low remember we don't pay tuition here) - which the construction worker doesn't have. This means that his pay is even higher still, since the amount you have to pay back is determined by how many years you have to retirement-age. If you want to pay off at a faster rate, you have to ask permission to do so (not that you'll be able to).
Swedish class-divides are nowadays largely by income alone, not culture. Since it galls and irks the "crypto-bro" kind of people who see themselves as Homo Novus Nobilis that lowly plummers or welders earn far more and command much greater respect, they feel a compulsive need to "get back at them" by denigrating anything the working class enjoys.
Not to mention that the worker will drive a city-jeep or a covered pick-up and tinker with it to keep it going, while the bourgeois yuppie-wannabe drives a Tesla and have to drive it to a mechanic's just to change to winter-tyres.
It's tangled and messy and there's a metric fuck-ton more to say on this, but that's the core: bourgeois class-snobbery and envy vs uncouth and uncultured hedonist workers.
That's not so different from North America. Tradesmen tend to be a kind of working class aristocracy, making excellent money but quite plebeian in their tastes. The bougie "middle" class types hate them, since they don't make as much and are burdened with more debt. The lumpenproles are really their own thing - an underclass supporting itself from welfare and drug dealing, politically irrelevant for the most part.
That experiment with "Mouse Utopia" comes to mind, as the likely explanation.
I sometimes wonder what would have happened, had the US-and-friends either picked Huntington over Fukuyama, or simply declared a new Enemy when the East Bloc started crumbling.
I can't but help thinking that we'd been better off, culturally speaking, with either choice than with the path picked.
That goes for both makro-scale stuff like NATO and EU as well as mikro-scale stuff like a taxi driver buyintg alcohol for minors in exchange for sexual favours (this last is from the trial re: the five youths).
Be very careful with that thought. They are not politically irrelevant, they are bought votes here in Canada, as well as in the great Democrat-run cities south of us...
I also wanted to comment on the "Rural WT." Real rural (ie farm) families have enough work and structure for the children. Despite attempts via genetic engineering and other research it has not yet proven possible to breed cows who get up at 11:30 and only want to be milked once. We do have some good robotic systems now but the real rural families are working people.
The great thing now is that the trades can raise their prices to keep up with actual inflation, most of the salaried "intelligentsia" continue to fall behind. (I have had my fees (income) suppressed from the time I started working in 1981 until I was purged for declining my clot-shot.) The other benefit for the trades is the ability , so far, to work for actual cash. Little wonder that the CBDC is so attractive to our rulers.
Very little of the rural population works in agriculture anymore. Those who do are the salt of the earth, I agree, but they're a small minority.
Problem with trades is that there's a hard cap on earnings. Also hard on the body. Doesn't really use the mind - I rather bridle at the meme that smart boys rejected from universities due to DIE should just become plumbers, it's a waste of their potential. Also an excellent way to isolate them from the mechanisms of status and power.
The bright or ambitious ones end up running their own companies and do very well. At our municipal political level, the developers can drive the politicians and do quite well. Consider the Ford brothers in Toronto, or even Donald Trump on a larger stage.
I haven't figured out who works on the giant corporate farms, we don't have them on this coast. In California I see Mexicans, and the smaller farms here are often Sikh-owned and worked.
Trump was hardly a tradesman. Neither were the Ford brothers. Not that the Fords are particularly good examples of political success in any really meaningful sense. They took office and did nothing useful with it.
Understand, I have nothing against the trades. They're important and useful. But telling every demoralized white kid to go become a plumber as though this is the path to power and riches is simply delusional, and does a great service to the enemy.
Funny how the snobby bourgeois behave the same in different countries.
Here in the Uk they’re the ones holding up the refugees welcome placards, if questioned about their willingness to take in and house a refugee in their homes they never have the space or the time.
They openly show their disdain for the working class, many are hardworking tradespeople who earn a very good living.
These are the people who will spend their money wisely, pay off their mortgage and retire early as possible.
The bourgeois may have higher education levels but little hands on practical skills, they see mass immigration as a way to punish those who they view as lower than them. They however don’t want to live with or anywhere near the dross they’re happy to import, their contempt is now catching up with them now though.
Interesting.
My mother, a life-long socialist, except once in 1968 (any Canadian will get this, and my wife and her daughter revisited the error in 2015!) welcomed sequentially three Hungarian refugees into our home in 1956. My father supported a Czech defector in 1968 for three years. But this was all done privately, and we kept social contact for many years .